X10 Community Forum
🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Help & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: unofornaio on October 29, 2007, 03:59:39 PM
-
Hi,
I recall the ability to view and verify or verify and print?? what is saved in the Older Active Home interface but I cannot find how to do this for the cm15a.
I went to file-reports-general and it lists what I want to be in their but then again the list is of all I have modules and times I have for that file. Let me re state this, I have 3 modules set up for active home pro I have downloaded them into the interface and I want to verify they are there. Can anyone instruct me how to do so? I searched for quite a while and found the same question as I'm asking but the asker did not specify which interface they were talking about and there was not follow up.
Thanks for your help
J.P
-
I don't recall a way to read the information in the CM15A.
If you only have 3 modules right now the easiest way would be to address them with a controller or set timers for the modules and observe if they're there that way.
-
Let me re state this, I have 3 modules set up for active home pro I have downloaded them into the interface and I want to verify they are there. Can anyone instruct me how to do so? I searched for quite a while and found the same question as I'm asking but the asker did not specify which interface they were talking about and there was not follow up.
unofornaio,
Modules (switches, chimes, etc) don't actually get downloaded to the CM15a interface. Timers and Macro's do. There is a file listing the timer and macro setups that are loaded in the interface. Not the easiest to read, but it's located at :
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Active Home Professional\ahpeeprom_w.txt
-
Thanks guys.
Hmmm.. I just opened Active Home and I could not find where to do it in there either. I Remember printing something and I though it was the contents of the interface?? I guess not. I went to statistics and the interface box came up and found "verify" I cant remember what I did before its been so long.. anyway so with pro and the cm15a other than the file Boiler mentioned (which I could not find) I did a windows search and nothing came up. I tried C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\...but I don't have an (Application Data folder) I did a search for - ahpeeprom_w.txt and nothing came up...I will just test it out manually. That still kind sucks though that you cant verify what you want to be in there is actually in there..
Thanks again,
J.P.
-
unofornaio,
You may have installed AHP for a single user (not sure if this is possible). It may be under a different folder than the "All Users".
The application data folder is probably hidden and may not show up in a search (select "search hidden files and folders").
The AHPEEprom_w.txt file should be on your system. It's generated each time you download to the interface.
Again, just to be clear, simple modules (switches, transceivers, lamp modules) are not stored in the interface. It simply doesn't need to know about them. The CM15a takes simple on/off/dim/bright commands (RF, PC, Timer, Macro) for these devices and translates them to the powerline.
Time and macro commands are stored in the interface (as well as a lot of local day/night information) because these are used to generate X10 commands.
I've attached an edited file that I generated with a simple test file. The file contained the following:
- Motion sensor at D3
- Macro at D3 (turns Switch C3 on in response to motion at D3)
- Switch at C3
If you look the the AHPEEprom file, you'll notice only the macro is loaded to the CM15a.
Hope this helps,
Boiler
-
Thanks again I did a search again and found nothing but everything came on that should have so I guess its ok.
Thanks for the help,
J.P.
-
Mine is in C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Active Home Professional. Yours may be there too, as even a single user system has both the regular user profile and the Administrator, even if the Administrator profile has never been accessed.
-
Mine was where Boiler said but if you don't find it there or where Dan suggested just do a search for the file ahpeeprom_w.txt.
If you still don't find it, even searching hidden files like was suggested try downloading again.
Boiler: Does the file not exist till the 1st download or does the install create a "starter file".
-
Boiler: Does the file not exist till the 1st download or does the install create a "starter file".
Steven R,
I'm not sure when the file is created for a new install. I've never checked.
The file will be created even if you do not have macros or timers since the dusk/dawn info resides in the interface.
-
Boiler: Does the file not exist till the 1st download or does the install create a "starter file".
Steven R,
I'm not sure when the file is created for a new install. I've never checked.
The file will be created even if you do not have macros or timers since the dusk/dawn info resides in the interface.
While it's a mute point once you start using AHP, I was just wondering in case that might be the reason he couldn't find it.
-
While it's a mute point once you start using AHP, I was just wondering in case that might be the reason he couldn't find it.
Yep, I understood where you were going with the question. I just can't come up with a scenario where the file wouldn't be created.
-
While it's a mute point once you start using AHP, I was just wondering in case that might be the reason he couldn't find it.
Yep, I understood where you were going with the question. I just can't come up with a scenario where the file wouldn't be created.
Hey guys... X-10 has been making major design changes in their modules without changing the part number. What's to say they haven't changed AHP so it no longer saves the memory image in ahpeeprom_w.txt but haven't changed the revision number?
unofornaio:
How long ago did you install or update your AHP?
-
Hey guys... X-10 has been making major design changes in their modules without changing the part number. What's to say they haven't changed AHP so it no longer saves the memory image in ahpeeprom_w.txt but haven't changed the revision number?
OK, that's a scenario for the file not existing, and one that I really don't like (I still haven't gotten over the WS467 and LM465 thing).
unofornaio,
As Charles requested, could you help us out by posting your AHP version, any plug-ins, and date of install?
Thanks,
Boiler
-
Hey guys... X-10 has been making major design changes in their modules without changing the part number. What's to say they haven't changed AHP so it no longer saves the memory image in ahpeeprom_w.txt but haven't changed the revision number?
OK, that's a scenario for the file not existing, and one that I really don't like (I still haven't gotten over the WS467 and LM465 thing).
unofornaio,
As Charles requested, could you help us out by posting your AHP version, any plug-ins, and date of install?
Thanks,
Boiler
Rant withdrawn.
-
Charles, you are Wrong!!!
The latest version is 3.204 and x10nets.exe is still a part of AHP. I have it, Windows loads it and without it, AHP cannot track module status.
-
Charles, you are Wrong!!!
The latest version is 3.204 and x10nets.exe is still a part of AHP. I have it, Windows loads it and without it, AHP cannot track module status.
The latest version is 3.206 if you have the OnAlert plugin (which you don't). And who said anything about x10nets.exe - please read messages before responding to them.
-
I read every message in this section and almost every one refers somehow to X10Nets.exe (X10 Network Services)
If 3.206 doesn't have it, then X10 is at fault.
-
I read every message in this section and almost every one refers somehow to X10Nets.exe (X10 Network Services)
If 3.206 doesn't have it, then X10 is at fault.
Huh??? Are you sure you don't have your topics crossed? Not one message in this topic mentions x10nets.exe or "X10 Network Services" - they're all about seeing the contents of the CM15A EEPROM memory as stored (at least previously) in file ahpeeprom_w.txt.
-
I've just checked it out and X-10 HAS PULLED ANOTHER FAST ONE!!!
Recent installations of ActiveHome Pro NO LONGER SAVE the ahpeeprom_w.txt file.
I recently changed hard drives on one of my PCs and reinstalled AHP on 1 Sep 2007. This version of AHP (still labeled 3.206) doesn't save the ahpeeprom_w.txt file. Another PC which has had AHP 3.206 installed for about a year DOES save the ahpeeprom_w.txt file.
Who knows what else they've changed without notice.
I think I've about had it with X-10 and this forum. How in blazes can we supposedly "experienced" users be expected to offer assistance to other users when X-10 keeps sneaking in all these changes, modules and software, and hoping nobody will notice. What a @#$@## waste of everyone's time!
That's where you are wrong. I did err in referring to X10Nets.exe when I should have posted ahpeeprom_w.txt instead.
If X10 removed ahpeeprom_w.txt from 3.206 they screwed up big time. I have a ahpeeprom_w.txt as part of 3.204 (it's in C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Active Home Professional) and it's refreshed every time I clear the CM15 and download to it.
-
I've just checked it out and X-10 HAS PULLED ANOTHER FAST ONE!!!
Recent installations of ActiveHome Pro NO LONGER SAVE the ahpeeprom_w.txt file.
I recently changed hard drives on one of my PCs and reinstalled AHP on 1 Sep 2007. This version of AHP (still labeled 3.206) doesn't save the ahpeeprom_w.txt file. Another PC which has had AHP 3.206 installed for about a year DOES save the ahpeeprom_w.txt file.
Who knows what else they've changed without notice.
I think I've about had it with X-10 and this forum. How in blazes can we supposedly "experienced" users be expected to offer assistance to other users when X-10 keeps sneaking in all these changes, modules and software, and hoping nobody will notice. What a @#$@## waste of everyone's time!
That's where you are wrong. I did err in referring to X10Nets.exe when I should have posted ahpeeprom_w.txt instead.
How is it that I'm wrong when you erred?
If X10 removed ahpeeprom_w.txt from 3.206 they screwed up big time. I have a ahpeeprom_w.txt as part of 3.204 (it's in C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Active Home Professional) and it's refreshed every time I clear the CM15 and download to it.
How long has it been since you updated to AHP 3.204 on your system? If you'll notice, I did say that the PC which has had 3.206 installed for a year or so does in fact write the ahpeeprom_w.txt file. It's the 3.206 recently installed (1 Sept 2007) on a new hard drive which doesn't write that file. So not all versions of "AHP 3.206" are the same, and I'm sure that if you reinstalled 3.204 from scratch on a new hard drive you'd find that not all "3.204" are the same either. Remember that all you have is the installer stub and the actual AHP program files are downloaded from X-10's server at the time you do the installation.
Update:
Another user has informed me that he just installed AHP 3.204 on a different PC and it does write the ahpeeprom_w.txt file. I'll need to do some more experimentation to find out what's going on here.
-
I upgraded to 3.204 on July 10, 2006. That was from 3.202, the version that followed it was 3.203 which was so buggy that most users backed up their .ahx files, uninstalled AHP and reinstalled 3.202. 3.204 was issued just 4 months after 3.203.
-
Charles: A couple weeks ago (Oct. 13th) I upgraded one of my PCs (from a formatted HD), and did a fresh install of Version 3.206. I just checked and the ahpeeprom_w.txt file is current to the last change I made (2 days ago).
I know this probably isn't what you want to hear, but figured you might want to know. ;)
I run Win2K, don't know if that is a factor or not.
-
Charles: A couple weeks ago (Oct. 13th) I upgraded one of my PCs (from a formatted HD), and did a fresh install of Version 3.206. I just checked and the ahpeeprom_w.txt file is current to the last change I made (2 days ago).
I know this probably isn't what you want to hear, but figured you might want to know. ;)
I run Win2K, don't know if that is a factor or not.
Thanks Puck.
Which plugins do you have installed? It occurs to me that one difference between my two 3.206 installations is that the recent one which doesn't write the ahpeeprom_w.txt file has the iWitness and MyHouseOnline plugins, and these aren't installed on the other PC.
I'm wondering if that could have a bearing.
-
Which plugins do you have installed?
I have all 4 plug-ins installed. (Side Note: iWitness is installed but don't use it because of no VA11A.)
-
Which plugins do you have installed?
I have all 4 plug-ins installed. (Side Note: iWitness is installed but don't use it because of no VA11A.)
I just tried another download and this time I got an ahpeeprom_w.txt file with the recently installed 3.206. Go figure.
I guess I have to withdraw my rant.
-
Um..."said while ducking the cross fire" I just got back from out of town and very quickly skimmed over the heated conversation. I will read further this evening and reply but I just didn't want you all to think I abandoned the thread.
J.P.
-
Unless there's been a stealth update to AHP, it would not be possible for X10 to remove the function that writes the apheeprom files. The writing of that file is of course done in software, by the X10Net service that does the communication to the CM15A. The ahpeeprom_w.txt tells you what the software wrote to the CM15A when downloading. It doesn't log a read of the CM15A memory. There isn't normally a way to read the memory of the CM15A in AHP.
There is a registry setting that can be set to enable a "Read EEPROM" item on the Help menu in AHP, but I can't remember what it is, or where it goes right now. I'll think about it. If anyone has the really old installer for the old "debug" CM15A units we sent it, you can use that -- all it does is set the registry flag for enabling/disabling the menu items.
-
Um..."said while ducking the cross fire" I just got back from out of town and very quickly skimmed over the heated conversation. I will read further this evening and reply but I just didn't want you all to think I abandoned the thread.
Thanks for coming back and sorry for the Um...tangent. We can on occasion get a bit passionate about things.
I believe the bottom line is - We've had 4 members perform fresh installs of AHP 3.204 and 3.206 on multiple OS's (mine was 3.204 on XP). All of these have generated the AHPEEprom_W.txt file.
I'm not sure how you're AHp install could have downloaded to the CM15a without this file. At the moment, it sounds like things are functioning for you (and you probably don't want to fix something that isn't broken). Give us an update if things change.
Thanks,
Boiler
{OK, MichaelC beat me to the puch - here's my $0.02 anyway}
There is a registry setting that can be set to enable a "Read EEPROM" item on the Help menu in AHP, but I can't remember what it is, or where it goes right now. I'll think about it. If anyone has the really old installer for the old "debug" CM15A units we sent it, you can use that -- all it does is set the registry flag for enabling/disabling the menu items.
That's interesting - I have a AHPeeprom_R.txt in the same directory. In fact it's dated 11/6/07 where my _w.txt file is dated 11/2/07. I never paid much attention to this file since it does not update regularly.
I did notice that when I brought up AHP today it issued a P16 code. This is a fairly new PC but the .AHX file traces back to '04. Not sure how this could be related to a registry item, but a switch in the .AHX is possible.
-
...There is a registry setting that can be set to enable a "Read EEPROM" item on the Help menu in AHP,...
...If anyone has the really old installer for the old "debug" CM15A units we sent it, you can use that -- all it does is set the registry flag for enabling/disabling the menu items.
Hmm... That registry setting could be a useful debugging tool. The raw data might prove a challenge to interpret but it could prove useful in verifying a bug from time to time. e.g. The way an advanced function such as "appliance off" and "module off" are stored. I forget which one it was but one incorrectly stores as an on.
-
I was typing the stuff below as the last 2 post came in. Don't worry about the heated debate that what make this forum a god sent for idiots like me, you guys know this stuff like the back of your hand and every time I post a question that shows so I am grateful.
Ok I don't know it this will help or not but this is what I have.
Active Home Pro: 3.204
Last update: 7/3/2006
Plug ins: Smart Macros
I witness
My House online
I'm running W2000 pro - 5.00.2195 - Service Pack 4
When I Check for updates, via help-check for updates, it tells me I have the latest version.
I am currently NOT using any of the plug ins. They are registered but the only thing I am using is AHP for right now is for some lights just programed using the timer designer using:
1- LM 15A
1- WS 12A
1- LM 465
O just remembered that a few months ago I deleted an an X 10 application from my task manager I can remember what it was could that have something to do with it? I just checked and the only X 10 thats listed there, that I know of, is x10nets.exe
Answers to questions:
-I honestly do not know when I installed AHP on here its been several months more than 6 or 7?. I do still have AH installed on the same drive could that be an issue?
-Everything is working fine but now I'm kinda worried that clearly others have this file and for some unknown reason I do not.
When I say "I did a search" I mean I'm going to start-search-files or folders and typing in AHPEEprom_W.txt and have the drive to C which is my only hard drive..
I don't know what else to do..My concern in its most basic form is if you are downloading information to the cm15a how can there be no way to check if its there? or what percentage of memory I am using? How do I know if its at capacity? I realize this is not a concern with what I have it running but wouldnt it be for others?
Thanks again
J.P
-
When I say "I did a search" I mean I'm going to start-search-files or folders and typing in AHPEEprom_W.txt and have the drive to C which is my only hard drive..
Check the advanced search option boxes for "Search system folders" and "Search hidden files and folders". The filename is all lower case.
-
-Everything is working fine but now I'm kinda worried that clearly others have this file and for some unknown reason I do not.
When I say "I did a search" I mean I'm going to start-search-files or folders and typing in AHPEEprom_W.txt and have the drive to C which is my only hard drive..
I don't know what else to do..My concern in its most basic form is if you are downloading information to the cm15a how can there be no way to check if its there? or what percentage of memory I am using? How do I know if its at capacity? I realize this is not a concern with what I have it running but wouldn't it be for others?
unofornaio,
Sorry to cause concern on your part - that's not our purpose.
You can check the amount of memory you are using by selecting the menu item "tools" and then "hardware configuration" from the drop down list (I've attached a sample from my install). The "Memory Usage" window on the upper right shows how much of the CM15a memory is being consumed. Based on what you've told us you have no worries.
The same screen also allows you to input your location in order to set up the Dusk/Dawn timers. When you input your location AHP estimates the sunrise/sunset times based on your latitude and longitude.
For a go forward -
- Perform the search again for the ahpeeprom_w.txt with the "search system folders" and "search hidden files and folders" selected as Charles Suggested.
- If this does not locate anything, Input your location in the "Hardware Configuration" screen and select "Update Interface"
- From the Tools menu select "Download Timers and Macros". You will see a popup warning saying "this will update all timers and macros...". Click OK"
- You should see a status bar in the lower left corner showing the download progress - it may be rather fast (mine takes ~ 30 sec's)."
- After the download has completed, check for the ahpeeprom_w.txt file again
Let us know your results,
Boiler
-
Thanks again.
I remember the hardware config option now sorry ::). Anyway I did as you instructed and still nothing. I could not search "Search system folders" and "Search hidden files and folders as there is NO option for this in my search window. Under advanced there is only search sub folders, case sensitive and search slow files. Other options are date - type - size ??? none of which include those choices.
Sorry to cause concern on your part - that's not our purpose
don't worry about it, now its like I HAVE to find this file its bugging me..
-
So, if you don't have Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\ on your system, what folders do you see when you browse under All Users? I think the problem finding the file has to do with permissions (are you logged in as an administrator?) or with view options in Windows Explorer. In Windows Explorer have you gone under Tools and Folder Options and set it to display hidden files and folders and not hide protected operating system files?
The folder where ahpeeprom_w.txt is written is also the home of some other data that AHP keeps, including the Activity History. The files are being written somewhere, we just have to figure out where.
-
In Windows Explorer have you gone under Tools and Folder Options and set it to display hidden files and folders and not hide protected operating system files?
Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner.. Can I make my avatar a dunce cap??
I went and changed folder options in w-explorer and sure enough after refreshing the folder appeared..please don't tell me no one suggested this before because it was assumed I was smart enough to have had it set that way because I will really feel dumb..
I opened the txt file and it was all there, actually there were 2 files, one was ahpeeprom_r and the other was _w.
I really do know how to operate this CA PU TER honest...Im too embarrassed to write anymore..thanks guys
-
Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner.. Can I make my avatar a dunce cap??
If you're ordering dunce caps, I'll take two in different colors please. That way I'll be able to alternate them.
Thanks Michael.