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🛡Home Security => Home Security General => Topic started by: tom j on August 18, 2011, 08:00:48 PM
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Well what happen to x10's new security console seems like they pulled it. Well I personally don't think it should of ever been introduced with all the problems it was plagued with. >*<
Tom j.
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Well what happen to x10's new security console seems like they pulled it. Well I personally don't think it should of ever been introduced with all the problems it was plagued with.
The rumor is X10 is in the process of closing their doors. I read on the Homeseer forum that the X10 factory has been shut down and what X10 is now selling is just what is left in the pipeline. Maybe the SC1200 sold out first.
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WOW :( well I hope that's not the case I always believed they could be a fortune 500 company if they had someone running the company that would address the concerns of their customers like AHP dismal range problem. I will have to stock up if true anyone else hear this. ???
Tom j.
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The affiliate program is canceled.
One of the EBay dealers. That use to sell from one module up to case lots has ONE model module left.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=p0bdt1beuiujc2680kh3ukt7p1&topic=24447.0
I did see an online Automation dealer that still had the SC1200 available or it was as of yesterdays check.
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The affiliate program is canceled.
One of the EBay dealers. That use to sell from one module up to case lots has ONE module left.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=p0bdt1beuiujc2680kh3ukt7p1&topic=24447.0
I did see an online Automation dealer that still had the SC1200 available or it was as of yesterdays check.
Hi Brian!! Humm any idea why they are cancelling the affiliate program? X10 is still going to be around aren't they. ???
Tom j.
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Try reading the thread I gave in the previous post.
It also has a link to the Homeseer Posts.
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Haven't had time to check out the link but does anyone know if the SC1200 has been in fact discontinued. ??? Thanks
Tom j.
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I don't think anyone knows for sure and those that do are sworn to secrecy.
If the CEPro story and the Homeseer Posts are correct and X10 closed the Chinese Factory.
Not only will the SC1200 be gone. Everything will be gone.
If the story is not correct. Then we wait for the "Big News" post from X10. With the feeling we where duped.
The sales site and newsletter says stay tuned for big news, but no indication on what it is.
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Didn't the production facility once exist in Taiwan? Malaysia? Mexico? Maybe just moving the production facility and revamping the line.
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I seem to remember the X10 factory was in China.
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Didn't the production facility once exist in Taiwan? Malaysia? Mexico? Maybe just moving the production facility and revamping the line.
Yes Tiawan, but X10 moved to mainland China long before it became a business must do. Back in the 1980s I think. X10 "owned" one factory and a factory across the street was "owned" by Tandy/Radio Shark for the "Plug-N-Power" product line.
I am hoping the comment on the Homeseer forum, from someone who claimed to an employee of X10 and said the Shenzhen factory had closed, is just troll gas. However something is going on.
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The fact that X10 Inc. Has made no statement on the Homeseer post of closing the factory being incorrect. Bothers me.
Most would think an incorrect statement would be rebutted fairly quickly.
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Yes, I think the same. The "troll gas" comment is simply hopeful thinking.
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Hum... Now I'm actually getting worried really would hate it if they went away. :-[ :-\ B:(
Tom j.
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Hum... Now I'm actually getting worried really would hate it if they went away. :-[ :-\ B:(
Just make sure you have the widgets you will need for the foreseeable future (including spares). Since we use mostly Leviton here, and have plenty of spares, it would not effect me directly.
Jeff
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I also have enough X10 spares for the foreseeable future. Except a spare SC1200. Guess my older RS 49-1000 maybe a close enough cousin. ;)
I use many Insteon devices with an X10 address added to it and things not made in Insteon. Like the 16 button Palm Pad or Chime Modules. X10 noise filter are also in the home.
I don't think the X10 sales site will be going away. Just a radical change from pushing X10 manufactured devices.
The top of the sales page is now pushing a Westinghouse intercom system and there is a whole house audio system there also. They may end up selling other brands of stuff. More like Smarthome does.
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If the CEPro story and the Homeseer Posts are correct and X10 closed the Chinese Factory.
Not only will the SC1200 be gone. Everything will be gone.
If the story is not correct. Then we wait for the "Big News" post from X10. With the feeling we where duped.
The sales site and newsletter says stay tuned for big news, but no indication on what it is.
I hate the waiting... not knowing. I really don't think a supply line failure would be unique to X10. There are many dynamics involved here. Maybe I should collect old electronics and stock up on solder. Like many of us here I might have enough parts to last... at least long enough. I don't know why I would let any of these changes bother me. But I have.
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Well for those of us that have X10 up to our armpits, there is always Insteon. At least Insteon is pretty compatable with X10.
FWIW
Homeseer does X10 and Z-Wave, making a slow conversion to Z-Wave fairly seamless. Also there is always a [tiny] possibility that ACT or PCS would resurrect their old X10 protocol lines.
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..... there is always Insteon. At least Insteon is pretty compatable with X10.
Homeseer does X10 and Z-Wave, making a slow conversion to Z-Wave fairly seamless.
But.... wouldn't the supply problem be the same? Isn't the problem... more like China is changing... just like Japan did back in the 70's. The nickle and dime products are no longer profitable. They need to sell us cars and higher end electronics. Are the other HA products also made in China?
X10 may be the biggest and most mass produced... and therefore first to suffer. But won't it be the same with all the different flavors of HA?
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X10 may be the biggest and most mass produced... and therefore first to suffer. But won't it be the same with all the different flavors of HA?
Yes, you are probably right. I think everything is made in China now days. But I see prices going up, because of the QE crap coming out of Washington, not companies shutting down(?).
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Didn't the production facility once exist in Taiwan? Malaysia? Mexico? Maybe just moving the production facility and revamping the line.
Yes Tiawan, but X10 moved to mainland China long before it became a business must do. Back in the 1980s I think. X10 "owned" one factory and a factory across the street was "owned" by Tandy/Radio Shark for the "Plug-N-Power" product line.
I am hoping the comment on the Homeseer forum, from someone who claimed to an employee of X10 and said the Shenzhen factory had closed, is just troll gas. However something is going on.
My Brown BSR modules definitely say "Malaysia" on them, otherwise, I couldn't spell Maylaysia.
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I found in my extras box. A few model X10-HD243 Modules.
Manufactured by BSR(USA) LTD. from Malaysia.
Yes I believe most things are made in China, these days.
The Insteon modules are and so where the Intermatic Z-Wave devices until they got out of the Z-Wave market.
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My Brown BSR modules definitely say "Malaysia" on them, otherwise, I couldn't spell Maylaysia.
Knight, you are correct. It was Malaysia, Hong Kong, Shenzhen China, then another location in China where they had the two factories, one X10 Powerhouse and the other for Plug-N-Power Radio Shark. I thought the Shenzhen site was their last/current site. It is not.
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Guys I was just thinking everyone is wondering why x10 hasn't spoken up and said if they are actually closing shop well if your sales had spiked 500% due to a false rumor what would you do. :D :' ;)
Tom j.
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I think they're hoarding the remaining stock... hoping for a price increase while they look for new suppliers. Maybe they are looking at the SmartHome (http://www.smarthome.com) Site as a model.
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Don't get the fourm for a few days and wow... B:(
I do hope x10 does not go away. I like their products.
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Don't get the fourm for a few days and wow... B:(
I do hope x10 does not go away. I like their products.
Me too! the company actually has tremendous potential and fills a niche that no one else does, I really believe it has Fortune 500 potential.
Tom j.
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I really believe it has Fortune 500 potential.
I love optimism like this.
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Yikes! Had not been over to the forum since my post of 8/18. I had noticed in July if you searched their site for the 1200 it took a lot of work to find a way to order one. In fact I had been thinking about starting a thread with, "Are they hiding the 1200?", so I believe this had been in the works for a while!
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Well if they are indeed closing up here is some info that i recently found.
Any of you guy and gals that have a local radio shack especially an independent distributor should give them a look see.
Seems radio shack sold x10 products a long time ago
They don't say x10 they say radio shack but are identical products and work exactly the same
I happened to find some x10/radio shack "plug'n power lamp modules at my local independent,the packages were yellow and obliviously very old but were only 8 bucks a piece I bought all they had told them to let me know if they had or found any others.
According to my local the independents can't send the stuff back if it doesn't sell so there may be a lot out there to be had if we just ask. :)% >!
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I happened to find some x10/radio shack "plug'n power lamp modules at my local independent,the packages were yellow and obliviously very old but were only 8 bucks a piece I bought all they had told them to let me know if they had or found any others.
You can get them for half that under the IBM name:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Home-Director-Lamp-Module-X10-X-10-3-pk-/350462693345?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5199344fe1
I found an expansion kit that included 3 lamp modules, 1 appliance, a WS467, and a mini controller all for $15, with free shipping. Search IBM Home director.
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Well what happen to x10's new security console seems like they pulled it. Well I personally don't think it should of ever been introduced with all the problems it was plagued with.
The rumor is X10 is in the process of closing their doors. I read on the Homeseer forum that the X10 factory has been shut down and what X10 is now selling is just what is left in the pipeline. Maybe the SC1200 sold out first.
Hi Dave don't you have a new SC1200? Are you still using it? Thanks
Tom j.
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Hi Dave don't you have a new SC1200? Are you still using it? Thanks
Tom j.
Nope, don't have one. Dilly dallied too long. Guess they have sold out of the 1200 now.
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The Home Automation Store still shows having the SC1200 but the price is much higher than we are use to.
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What!?!!? X10 is closing? WTF?
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If the story is not correct. Then we wait for the "Big News" post from X10. With the feeling we where duped.
"....the feeling..."
It won't be just a feeling, it would be a dupe. One has to admit, pretty ingenious. Sorta like the furniture store that would have a "Going Out of Business" sale every month. But it will destroy the remaining customer loyalty that X10 users may still have. And X10 needs to keep that capital. Also, just like the furniture store, it only works (good) once.
The one thing that makes me think it is real, is the fact we have heard nothing contrary, and X10 is now selling competing remote control products on their web store.
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I agree with dave w
We have a clothing outlet here that pulls the same stuff almost every couple of months
They have been here for about 15 years and still haven't closed the doors
Guess the fact that they are all we got within about 60 miles helps alot :-\
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Guess the fact that they are all we got within about 60 miles helps alot :-\
More than 60 mile to the nearest Wal-Mart?? I don't want to ask how far to Home Depot and Best Buy! My goodness, that is so sad.
Actually I am looking for a cave in Kentucky or a private island...so maybe you live where I wish I did. ;)
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The Home Automation Store still shows having the SC1200 but the price is much higher than we are use to.
OKK Brian you got one then don't you. Thought it was either Dave or you. Thanks
Tom j.
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rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
hOLY CRAP THATS FUNNY
No we have a walmart but thats bout it and they don't cary anything that fits me rofl
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I get the impression that in recent weeks there has been an increased chatter of "where is my refund complaints" in the forums and the facebook fan page. In another forum site I follow there is that big $149 rebate for the "free" X10 camera system that no has received yet (over there people have begun filing credit card disputes claims since its past due... maybe they'll start paying soon) Not a good sign. You might speculate X10 has cashflow issues because they are slow to payout/refund or maybe its just plain bad customer service. I hope X10 is here to stay since I was one those people that bought sc1200 security system and want to get future warranty support.
It won't be just a feeling, it would be a dupe. One has to admit, pretty ingenious. Sorta like the furniture store that would have a "Going Out of Business" sale every month. But it will destroy the remaining customer loyalty that X10 users may still have. And X10 needs to keep that capital. Also, just like the furniture store, it only works (good) once.
The one thing that makes me think it is real, is the fact we have heard nothing contrary, and X10 is now selling competing remote control products on their web store.
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Home depot and best buy are 60 miles away though :-[
I do have some property i would sell cheep, but I would be your neighbor :)%
I ain't movin, love it here ::)
Well maybe "like it" is a better term :-\
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Now you guys got me thinking about those two bad power supplies I sent back that were supposed to be under warranty. I never did hear back from them. Time to make some phone calls.
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Now you guys got me thinking about those two bad power supplies I sent back that were supposed to be under warranty. I never did hear back from them. Time to make some phone calls.
Good luck with that.
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I found this, maybe all is not lost. Maybe someone will pick up where X10 left off. ???
http://www.gordonmeyer.com/2011/08/the-end-of-x10.html
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We also have a large thread here.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5ap82va1e25kvqjvpdlfi7eq33&topic=24447.0
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I found this, maybe all is not lost. Maybe someone will pick up where X10 left off. ???
http://www.gordonmeyer.com/2011/08/the-end-of-x10.html
Thanks for sharing that Mr. Jones. I hadn't seen that.
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I get the impression that in recent weeks there has been an increased chatter of "where is my refund complaints" in the forums and the facebook fan page. In another forum site I follow there is that big $149 rebate for the "free" X10 camera system that no has received yet (over there people have begun filing credit card disputes claims since its past due... maybe they'll start paying soon) Not a good sign. You might speculate X10 has cashflow issues because they are slow to payout/refund or maybe its just plain bad customer service. I hope X10 is here to stay since I was one those people that bought sc1200 security system and want to get future warranty support.
It won't be just a feeling, it would be a dupe. One has to admit, pretty ingenious. Sorta like the furniture store that would have a "Going Out of Business" sale every month. But it will destroy the remaining customer loyalty that X10 users may still have. And X10 needs to keep that capital. Also, just like the furniture store, it only works (good) once.
The one thing that makes me think it is real, is the fact we have heard nothing contrary, and X10 is now selling competing remote control products on their web store.
pseeker,
Happened to me but I never posted it so here it is. Purchased my third sentinel camera and it was DOA. I asked for another quickly realizing they would charge my credit card for the replacement but X10 said they would issue a refund upon receiving the bad one back. I had proof with FedEx the bad one made it back to X10.
After constant calling and on line chatting for two months and with X10 confirming they received the bad one but still no refund I finally called my Visa provider and they took care of it. I would have to say that X10 is in financial difficulty.
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Why don't we just takeover X10 ourselves? I mean we all know what we want out of the products. We could sign on guys like Dave W, Hawk 1, tuicemen etc. as programers and i know some guys on here have other strengths i.e. marketing, sales, webpage designers etc. We could operate it as a employee run company. Okay it was just a thought :' lol
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Why don't we just takeover X10 ourselves? I mean we all know what we want out of the products. We could sign on guys like Dave W, Hawk 1, tuicemen etc. as programers and i know some guys on here have other strengths i.e. marketing, sales, webpage designers etc. We could operate it as a employee run company. Okay it was just a thought :' lol
Anyone know if Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, or anyone named Walton frequents the forum?
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Doubt it. Betcha a bent car token Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, or anyone named Walton even knows what x10 is.
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Doubt it. Betcha a bent car token Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, or anyone named Walton even knows what x10 is.
Gates AKA: TechGates (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11354) hasn't checked in since '07
Wes Walton hasn't posted since '09: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=17374.msg95832#msg95832
I can't be 100% sure they're the same guys you're thinking about though.
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Doubt it. Betcha a bent car token Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, or anyone named Walton even knows what x10 is.
Gates AKA: TechGates (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11354) hasn't checked in since '07
Wes Walton hasn't posted since '09: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=17374.msg95832#msg95832
I can't be 100% sure they're the same guys you're thinking about though.
rofl
Dave, you should get a prize for that.
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The Smarthome web site shows the SC1200 as discontinued.
http://www.smarthome.com/82136/X10-SC1200-SecuriLINK-Home-Security-Console/p.aspx
The Home Automation Store shows they still have some, but the price is much higher.
Say List $129.99 12% discounted to $114.99 ???
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Thanks Brian H, got it.
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Now you guys got me thinking about those two bad power supplies I sent back that were supposed to be under warranty. I never did hear back from them. Time to make some phone calls.
Just got off the phone with them and they said they just upgraded their software system and are still working out some bugs and they are back logged three weeks.....hmmmmm Maybe, maybe not. :'
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X10 Facebook conversation regarding "X10 6-Pack of SMART Door/Window Sensors - NOW ONLY $29.99 promotion at http://www.x10.com/promotions/ds12a_ed_6f1_1013.html (http://www.x10.com/promotions/ds12a_ed_6f1_1013.html)
10/14/2011 Question: "Fred Bennett: What happened to the Securilink system. Can't find it on the website, and a new ad suggests that the DS7000 is the future of home security. I thought Securilink was the future, it was surely more flexible."
10/14/2011 X10 Response: "X10: Fred, Those are currently out of stock and we do not have an ETA for receiving more of them"
Implies the sc1200 are "just merely" out of stock...
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I got the same response on my last order but didnt think anything of it. I tried to get some socket rockets and he told me they were out of stock and it would be months before they had more. That was during the 'green' sale they had and I got a lamp module instead.
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It is true X10 only Manufacture in China has shutdown. and the only X10 systems and accessory are what is ether in suppler stock or in shipment to them after that runs out there will be no more X10 available. unless someone pick up the operation. But I think with other newer wireless systems with more capabilities like 32bit systems. I think anyone would be crazy to
try and buy the rights to manufacture such old technology. Pules start up cost. I have been in manufacturing for over 35 years and support two operations in China and more in other locations so I know what it would take and it's not going to happen unless someone is crazy as I said to many new systems out there. I sorry to see it go to i have been use it since 92.
I have the pro 2000 and have stocked up on spares. But am thinking of going to a console that operates on a different frequency. But will allow me to use same magnetic switches and just change the transmitters. But I wiil still need to replace all other transmitters. But that I will do over time I will tap into the pro 2000 and add a slave relay to give a input to my new system.
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Some of the X10 European sellers indicated they are going to start stocking the modules from this vendor.
http://www.x10bus.com/products/
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It is true X10 only Manufacture in China has shutdown. and the only X10 systems and accessory are what is ether in suppler stock or in shipment to them after that runs out there will be no more X10 available. unless someone pick up the operation. But I think with other newer wireless systems with more capabilities like 32bit systems. I think anyone would be crazy to
try and buy the rights to manufacture such old technology. Pules start up cost. I have been in manufacturing for over 35 years and support two operations in China and more in other locations so I know what it would take and it's not going to happen unless someone is crazy as I said to many new systems out there. I sorry to see it go to i have been use it since 92.
I have the pro 2000 and have stocked up on spares. But am thinking of going to a console that operates on a different frequency. But will allow me to use same magnetic switches and just change the transmitters. But I wiil still need to replace all other transmitters. But that I will do over time I will tap into the pro 2000 and add a slave relay to give a input to my new system.
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Just in case no one noticed.... Here is the Sc1200 "replacement" from this morning's junk mail http://www.x10.com/promotions/skylink_home_security_system.html?ST (http://www.x10.com/promotions/skylink_home_security_system.html?ST) Hopefully my sc1200 won't break down anytime soon (no future support???)
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Wow, $249 with a wopping 4 sensors (I need 12), only 1 remote, and no home automation, or remote controlled lighting. What a deal.
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SkyLink. That is the company that makes the Insteon Motion Sensor for Smarthome.
I also see there is now a SkyLink remote lighting kit on the X10 site. Guess they are almost out of other modules and going third party. ???
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SkyLink. That is the company that makes the Insteon Motion Sensor for Smarthome.
I also see there is now a SkyLink remote lighting kit on the X10 site. Guess they are almost out of other modules and going third party. ???
The SkyLink remote lighting kit is NOT compatible with X10.
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Good point I missed. Not X10 compatible.
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Skylink is RF only. Their security sensors use 318MHz but I don't know whether they use the same frequency for their lights. The website implies they use the same frequency.
- http://www.skylinkhome.com/us/products/lc/wireless_lighting_control_and_automation_system.html
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Seems like prices are starting to spike at least on EBay, I'm thinking 20 percent in just a few weeks anyone else see this? Supply and demand I guess. Might have to buy a few things before prices become unreal and the supply dries up. Also wondering how x10 is going to handle warranties on prior orders. ???
Tom j.
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Good question on Warranty. Hopefully they kept a stock pile just for that purpose.
If you have not seen them yet.
I tested a few of the new Smarthome X10 only modules.
Note Smarthome keeps playing with the prices.
I think they jacked them up for their 20% Off Sale. Then lowered them again. ???
All of the modules part numners start with an X10
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=p4d4aqs9phv3j6d4bd1e1dmf12&board=35.0
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Good question on Warranty. Hopefully they kept a stock pile just for that purpose.
If you have not seen them yet.
I tested a few of the new Smarthome X10 only modules.
Note Smarthome keeps playing with the prices.
I think they jacked them up for their 20% Off Sale. Then lowered them again. ???
All of the modules part numners start with an X10
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=p4d4aqs9phv3j6d4bd1e1dmf12&board=35.0
Thanks I'll take a peek yeah I am really concerned about warranty I have quite a few extended warranty items some that need repair so I guess I better box them up and get them off before it's to late!! I would really hate to see Smarthome take over the entire market prices would just soar. Maybe X10 should have done what GM was forced to do and reorganize and drop some of the junk items they were carrying and increase quality on what was remaining I really just think they were really producing to many items with obvious problems like the new line of cameras that have worst reception then the ones they replaced. Some of the stuff was really great through like the ability to flash all lighting when an alarm was set off nobody else regardless of the price is doing that to my knowledge.
Tom j.
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Sales page says "Back In Stock" :)%
http://www.x10.com/promotions/sc1200_security_lcd_new.html?SN#
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Sales page says "Back In Stock"
As well as the SocketRockets! Maybe X10s demise was exaggerated.
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As well as the SocketRockets! Maybe X10s demise was exaggerated.
or they got a money injection.
I wonder if they are still at the same factory.
I stocked up on Appliance Modules, thinking I would never get any more. I got little blue boxes stacked up all over the basement :D
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I keep my X10 stock in a heavy duty plastic box with a tight lid and just added 2 more LM15As to my stock.
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... Maybe X10s demise was exaggerated.
Well, the original "article" that started all the commotion was admitted (by the author) to have been made up, so maybe they just had some manufacturing and distribution issues.
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......so maybe they just had some manufacturing and distribution issues.
I think the biggest problem is within China. I am also sure its only human nature to do business with a firm/friend/vendor for many years and then forget the political nature of a co-op. A new (younger) board hires a new CEO, who takes the factory in a new direction? Apple even publicly complained about not being able to find enough electronic assemblers in China... and think of all the other brands of phones.
Home Automation has never been more than a niche market. I am sure as nearly as many get the "X10 newsletter" as do the "goat journal monthly" I don't think..... getting limited run electronic gadgets.. custom made.. is going to get easier in the future. Particularly with current global monetary issues. And.... the X10 protocol... is the most popular and best known. I worry about the entire HA industry.
It is nice to see a couple items return to stock.
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I am sure as nearly as many get the "X10 newsletter" as do the "goat journal monthly"
Depends..... People who raise dairy goats get the Dairy Goat Journal, I have no idea about the publication for the people who raise meat goats. But I also get the X10 newsletter.
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..... People who raise dairy goats get the Dairy Goat Journal
Whatever your reading or goat preference.... I only meant I know about as many goat owners as Home Automation users. It used to be pretty easy to pickup an X10 module at the nearby Radio Shack. And nearly impossible to buy goats milk at the local grocery. But times have changed.... and often NOT as we would have expected.
I don't know what's going to happen with Home Automation. But after a tiny little blitz of TV advertisement by both the alarm company's and the cable company for their automation features.... those ad's seem to have wained a tad. Even Z-wave... with the support and distribution advantage's of General Electric... is lesser known NOW than is was just a handful of years ago. As much as I really love HA.... and I know I am not alone... the affection and/or attraction does NOT seem to be universal.
X10 is by far the worlds best known and easiest to afford brand of HA products. And... at times they have lowered prices to a point of nearly giving away the modules. Yet shortages and other issues persist. It makes me wonder about the viability of the entire Home Automation industry in today's marketplace.
I sorta feel like a Fresca drinker... when everyone else is now drinking Tab. Or.... would that be the other way around?
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I bet most of the people you know are home automators and you and they don't realize it Dave.
Any one that uses a timer or an alarm clock, remotecontrol, or VCR is using home automation.
And those are just afew examples.
Sometimes people see H.A. as a jetsons world and only look at the big picture.
X10 users are the visionaries and see the small steps it takes to get total H.A.
When AHP first started adding plug-ins I asked for a phone plug-in and was told there wasn't the demand for such a thing.
Now look at the phone plugins and apps for this ::) :'
This Security console now adds that function as well!
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I bet most of the people you know are home automators and you and they don't realize it Dave.
Your right. I don't count the automation devices that have become mainstream. I have known many people that were adults when they had their first car ride or slept through a winters night without shoveling more fuel into the furnace. Before the "Zenith space command" TV remote control.... my brothers and I were a form of automation ourselves. Years before I retired... the office where I worked installed [now standard] motion sensor light switches to save electric. Of course... some rooms found the employees moved too little to keep the lights on.
One of the early uses of X10 was to turn on the coffee pot. Now there is only that one Mr Coffee unit that doesn't have a timer. I know most people can get more than enough automation in their lives... without ever hearing about the products we deal with here. I think any really popular automation idea discovered here will be intergrated into products found on store shelves. In that reguard... we here are helping to automate the entire world.
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Hay I subscribe to that Goat magazine been reading it for years, someone got a problem with that?? rofl :)%
Tom
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Say seriously just saw the 1200 being advertised again wondering if they corrected the bugs that folks were complaining about like the lack of support for the large power horns, really glad X10 didn't fold with all the criticism I still like a number of their products. :)%
Tom
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Just received 2 new sc1200 and they were bad right out of the box. set up ok but next day i went to arm and it should fault with several sensors. i reinstalled them and it was good for about 4 hrs. and once again i had a problem with arming. both units had the same problem. I called x10 and they acted as if they had never heard of this problem, and said that the sensors were to far away from the unit. however the sensors are just feet away. sending 2 new ones and i guess i 'll see if they are any better.
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Did the sensors with problems ever work with a console? Maybe they are bad and not the SC1200s. Though you are not the first one to have zone problems with a SC1200.
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the sensors work with unit ok. i replaced the batteries first then i replaced the sensors with new ones. when i try to set the alarm it all works fine at first. after about 4 hrs it wont set. it shows a zone problem. sometimes it is one sensor and the next time it might be a different one. if i open the door with the problem the unit will chime and then it will set again. i hope they get this worked out. i install a lot of x10 products and i hate trying to explain this to the customers.
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Now you guys got me thinking about those two bad power supplies I sent back that were supposed to be under warranty. I never did hear back from them. Time to make some phone calls.
Good luck with that.
I just wanted to tell everyone that X10 did refund my money under warranty for those two power supplies. I did have to call them every month and it did take over 4 months but it was credited. FYI
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Thank you for the update.
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I just wanted to tell everyone that X10 did refund my money under warranty for those two power supplies. I did have to call them every month and it did take over 4 months but it was credited. FYI
Four months? Sounds like a new form of check kiting, but this one is legal.
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I believe someone else reported being told their RMA would take three months. :o
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All,
The SC1200 was out of stock late last year, and unfortunately it did cause some delays getting replacement systems sent out to customers.
The SC1200 is in stock now and is shipping. Any units that require a replacement going forward, should be handled promptly.
This thread has been beaten to death. Let's move on.