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X10 AirPad Android Tablet => AirPad General Discussions => Topic started by: YB on August 24, 2011, 02:20:52 PM
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You can check out the new X10 AirPad 7" Android Tablet PC here: http://www.x10.com/promotions/airpad_7_inch_android_tablet.html
X10 AirPad 7" Android Tablet Specifications
CPU: 1.2 Ghz Rockchip 2918 Cortex A8 processor + 600 Mhz DSP
Display: 7" 800x480 resolution TFT LCD screen
Touch-screen: Capacitive multi-touch, 5 point touch
OS: Android 2.3, with Flash 10.1
Camera: 2 Megapixel camera with video recording and playback
Sensors: 3-axis accelerometer
RAM: 512 MB
Memory: 4 GB onboard, up to 32 GB with microSD card
Battery Life: 6 hours movie, 6 hours music, 4 hours WIFI Internet access
Network: WiFi (802.11b/g)
Ports: HDMI supporting 1080P output, USB
Size: 195 mm x 120 mm x 13 mm, Weight 400g (14 oz)
Battery: 4000 mAh rechargeable lithium polymer
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You can check out the new X10 AirPad 7" Android Tablet PC here: http://www.x10.com/promotions/airpad_7_inch_android_tablet.html
It's been hard to stay quiet about this, it's a cool device.
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But what's going on with the rest of the HA products?
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But what's going on with the rest of the HA products?
What do you mean? They aren't going away anytime soon, and our apps work on the AirPad.
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Does it do WPA/WPA2 security?
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What do you mean? They aren't going away anytime soon, and our apps work on the AirPad.
You mean the web-based interfaces for AHP, right?
What about a "local network" version of MyHouse, which wouldn't need to connect to the external servers, and would work over WiFi?
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Does it do WPA/WPA2 security?
Yes it can connect to secured wifi networks including WPA/WPA2
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You mean the web-based interfaces for AHP, right?
What about a "local network" version of MyHouse, which wouldn't need to connect to the external servers, and would work over WiFi?
Yes, it works with our current mobile apps.
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A built-in X10 RF transmitter would be a nice addition for the next model (which, of course, will have a DIFFERENT model number than the current one, right? ;) )
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Where's the phone? :'
And, I'll second noam's request for built-in (or even USB plug-in) RF though the WiFi connection may reduce the need.
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Where's the phone? :'
And, I'll second noam's request for built-in (or even USB plug-in) RF though the WiFi connection may reduce the need.
I am unable to comment on plans and development, we are listening though. >!
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I am unable to comment on plans and development, we are listening though. >!
Years ago, I designed an IR transmitter with a CF card form factor. PDAs running an IR application became a programmable universal remote. Something similar here would sell like hotcakes (that probably dates me) compared to the $1000 MX3000 and various Pronto touchscreen remotes. It could use either the USB or µSD connectors.
Of course, IR & X-10 RF would be even more desirable.
I noticed it does Flash. How about HTML 5? Since I've long used HTML 3, HTML 5 would be an easier geezer conversion.
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You can check out the new X10 AirPad 7" Android Tablet PC here: http://www.x10.com/promotions/airpad_7_inch_android_tablet.html
Looks nice YB.
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Does it do WPA/WPA2 security?
Yes. I'm logged in now using WPA2.
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Does it come with a one year warranty?
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Does it run the netflix app?
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and our apps work on the AirPad.
A version of AHP that would run on this and allow direct connection and updating of the interface would be a big decision maker for me.
>!
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Does it run the netflix app?
I'm very curious whether it supports Netflix streaming, as well. One of the screenshots shows a Netflix icon, but I would have thought that if it really does run it, you would call attention to the fact that it does.
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I 've been sitting on my hands and carefully studying how to incorporate a Tablet.
Specs and price point look good.
;D... Birthday present to myself?
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;D... Birthday present to myself?
What about anniversary present to your wife?
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What about anniversary present to your wife
Yes' sr you're right. She just spent big $$ on my Birthday.
"Wonder Woman you might just get a Tablet for our Anniversary next month"
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WOHOO!
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I see that Google Maps has been tested, but I did not see GPS capability in the specifications. Did I miss something?
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I see that Google Maps has been tested, but I did not see GPS capability in the specifications. Did I miss something?
Google maps can get directions by giving it params for start to finish. The GPS functions of G maps is a secondary feature which do not work unless you get a GPS device to connect to the tablet.
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Years ago, I designed an IR transmitter with a CF card form factor. PDAs running an IR application became a programmable universal remote. Something similar here would sell like hotcakes (that probably dates me) compared to the $1000 MX3000 and various Pronto touchscreen remotes. It could use either the USB or µSD connectors.
Yes, I too was surprised about no on-board native IR, but I guess they have to draw the lines somewhere.
I think this might be a solution (once they get it fully ported to Android). A little expensive but:
1. No line-of-sight required (across big room)
2. Works from a whole other room (or patio ie. Zone2 on Amp)
3. It's not like the main home-theater screen or amp/speakers are going anywhere. The magic-box/extra-hardware stays with the HT system.
4. Some components can be inside cabinet (get all Red-Eye advantages)
5. App (at least the iPhone one) looks mature ... along the lines of Harmony (Devices, Activities, and Macros)
http://www.hometechtell.com/technologytell/article/redeye-now-supports-android/
http://thinkflood.com/support/redeye/software/android/
http://thinkflood.com/support/redeye/android-beta/
I don't think the dock will work (instead just becomes a wireless base-station), but I think that's only for charging. If the X-10 company here has something similar, I would likely just buy it from them instead.
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I have no idea how difficult it would be to write code for it but an adapter plugged into the USB host port with an FTDI (or other) USB-serial adapter feeding a PIC or AVR MCU could do IR and/or X-10 RF for about $10-12 in hardware costs. Or X-10 could probably eliminate the adapter and go straight USB (that's above my paygrade).
EDIT: Now I've an idea about how difficult it would be to program. Basic4Android supports virtual serial ports. There's even a Bluetooth example in the documentation. I may design a USB/serial IR/RF dongle if X10 doesn't announce something.
- http://www.basic4ppc.com/
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Does it run the netflix app?
I'm very curious whether it supports Netflix streaming, as well. One of the screenshots shows a Netflix icon, but I would have thought that if it really does run it, you would call attention to the fact that it does.
I have the Netflix app running on my Airpad. The airpad is not on the officially supported list for Netflix, in fact no shipping tablet is supported right now, so it doesn't show up in the Android market. However the latest Netflix app is not locked, so if you were to install it as a non-market app I think you'll enjoy the results.
You could head on over to the non-market apps section of our forums and if takes you longer than 10 minutes to be up and running with the Netflix app I will be surprised.
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I am sorry but I guess I need to wait for AirPad2:
While this is pretty good 1st stab at a $200 Tablet it is missing a few key features:
1) BlueTooth
2)GPS- Android Google Navigation
3) Hgher Rez Dislpay
One can pick up Dell Streak 7 at various times for $199 and it at least has GPS & Bluetooth but still has low 800 x480 ( phone display)
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I am sorry but I guess I need to wait for AirPad2:
While this is pretty good 1st stab at a $200 Tablet it is missing a few key features:
1) BlueTooth
2)GPS- Android Google Navigation
3) Hgher Rez Dislpay
One can pick up Dell Streak 7 at various times for $199 and it at least has GPS & Bluetooth but still has low 800 x480 ( phone display)
Those features aren't exactly key in a tablet built to be wifi only. The display has a good resolution, the "phone displays" that your talking about, I find to be generally the higher end phones, which have the same rez as the majority of 7" tablets.
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I agree, the airpad is perfect for a wifi only tablet.
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I am sorry but I guess I need to wait for AirPad2:
While this is pretty good 1st stab at a $200 Tablet it is missing a few key features:
1) BlueTooth
2)GPS- Android Google Navigation
3) Hgher Rez Dislpay
One can pick up Dell Streak 7 at various times for $199 and it at least has GPS & Bluetooth but still has low 800 x480 ( phone display)
I also looked at the Dell 7" Streak. I think what it comes down to is you have to compare "apples to apples".
The Dell Streak 7" (WiFi only) is $350 ... currently discounted to $300. That's still 50% more cost that AirPad. If you really need BlueTooth and GPS embedded, go ahead and pay the extra $100-$150 dollars for it. But you still have the lower res. that you don't like for some reason (which I don't quite understand since the tablet is smaller ... seems about right to me).
The Dell Streak 7" with WiFi and 4G is much more expensive because you have to pay 2yrs. of Data Plan charges ... what is that ... about $800? So, T-Mobile picks up the bill for most of the cost of the device or the device is $450. And maybe you don't like T-Mobile?
It all depends on what you need and are willing to pay for it. I think the AirPad will appeal to many people.
Hopefully, we will eventually get BlueTooth and/or GPS abilities on AirPad with external devices and users can buy them and use them if they need them.
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With bluetooth dongles as low as $1.99 it's only a driver issue, a simple software fix.
I imagine the GPS thing can be worked arround too, as Tesla stated.
As for the better resolution I think what it has is good enough.
It isn't a big screen TV
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As for the better resolution I think what it has is good enough.
It isn't a big screen TV
For a 7" tablet the resolution should be fine. Remember that it also has a 1080p HDMI output, so if anyone did want higher resolution it can be run out to an HDTV.
For such a handy, portable device in this price range I think it would meet most peoples needs.
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With bluetooth dongles as low as $1.99 it's only a driver issue, a simple software fix.
I imagine the GPS thing can be worked arround too, as Tesla stated.
As for the better resolution I think what it has is good enough.
It isn't a big screen TV
The only issue I have with dongles is that they are warts on the device that stick out and can get broken easily if bumped when carrying the device around. Not only can the dongle get broken, but the USB port also, then you are screwed. Granted they make some pretty small bluetooth dongles now which would probably not be too much trouble, but a GPS dongle is going to be a bit bulkier. If these options are built into a rugged device the issue is eliminated.
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Can device be rooted to run things like Titanium Backup and Root Explorer?
Is there a recovery similar to ClockWorkMod for nandroid backups?
How is the battery recharged (via USB port?)
Is there a USB driver for support of ADB?
Does the device have an IMEI or is something
like the Nook Color hack needed to support
apps that insist on having phone serials on
non phone devices?
Would flash drive (USB mass storage)
devices be supported (either through
self-powering or powered hub)?
Is a std usb keyboard supported via
the regular USB host port, (with
keymap to match it)?
Thanks
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And the all important question: Has anyone outside of X10 seen one of these yet?
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And the all important question: Has anyone outside of X10 seen one of these yet?
Appears someone has actually received one: http://www.uisgeek.com/2011/09/01/geek-review-x10s-airpad-7/
Sounds promising for the price.
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Can device be rooted to run things like Titanium Backup and Root Explorer?
Is there a recovery similar to ClockWorkMod for nandroid backups?
The device is rooted. You can explore the device easily using ADB. The flashing/recovery tools use the standard Rockchip ROM tools.
How is the battery recharged (via USB port?)
There is a separate power port for powering the device and charging the battery.
Is there a USB driver for support of ADB?
Yes. You can use the standard ADB driver.
Does the device have an IMEI or is something
like the Nook Color hack needed to support
apps that insist on having phone serials on
non phone devices?
Can you give an example of an IMEI-required app?
Would flash drive (USB mass storage)
devices be supported (either through
self-powering or powered hub)?
Yes, you can plug in a USB flash drive and use the flash drive.
Is a std usb keyboard supported via
the regular USB host port, (with
keymap to match it)?
Yes, you can plug in a standard USB keyboard and it works just fine.
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urgently need a firmware! Please give a link to the original firmware. Foolishly flashed the firmware from another tablet, and now it not work properly
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urgently need a firmware! Please give a link to the original firmware. Foolishly flashed the firmware from another tablet, and now it not work properly
You have a PM. We're releasing the firmware, but haven't done so yet. I'd prefer if our early customers would not end up in your predicament...
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X-10 should get together with MagicJack. I don't think there's any technical reason why MagicJack could not create a software-only version that would run on the AirPad using the mic/speakers (even the camera) and connecting via WiFi, turning the AirPad into a phone with a plan costing $24/year. There would be no need for the USB-POTS dongle. It could vastly increase the market for both X-10 and MagicJack and both companies could promote it.
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X-10 should get together with MagicJack. I don't think there's any technical reason why MagicJack could not create a software-only version that would run on the AirPad using the mic/speakers (even the camera) and connecting via WiFi, turning the AirPad into a phone with a plan costing $24/year. There would be no need for the USB-POTS dongle. It could vastly increase the market for both X-10 and MagicJack and both companies could promote it.
You can already do all of that with the Skype app and a Skype monthly subscription. Or you can make free calls in the U.S. with Google Voice app (along with cheap pay-as-you-go International calls).
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But Skype is not quite as economical as MagicJack and I want as little to do with Google as possible - nothing connected to them is free - I don't need them building a database of who/when I call. The main benefit to each company (MagicJack & X-10) would be the aggressive marketing done by the other.
I haven't tried Skype but already use MagicJack and know the quality is excellent.
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Not very impressed with air pad. Received mine Thursday and the power cord already does not work after charging one time. Customer service is less than responsive. Beware!
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I received my Air Pad several days ago and it is awesome. I've added apps from the Google aps source as well as the Amazon source. I am also downloading several books from Amazon and will use the Kindle ap to read them. Very pleased so far.
Now to a question to a knowledgeable hardware source.
The settings menu sets up and configures the WiFi. There is also a configuration menu for ethernet. It shows that it can be enabled but that there is no device found. There is the option to include all the TCP/IP information to connect to a wired network. The question then is - Will there be released an ethernet device presumeable able to plug into the USB (Host) port??????
This is advertised as a Tablet PC. Does that mean that eventually there will be other PC class options?????
Thanks in advance.
Ken
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I too was interested in some kind of bluetooth gps support since I have a couple of bluetooth gps receivers already. When I saw that wasn't easy ot get going, I started writing a utility to share my droid GPS data with the tablet. I was about halfway through when I got really smart and actually took a minute to look through the market place. For $2.99 I bought TetherGPS and installed the server on my droid phone and the free light client on my Airpad. Now I have point to point navigation on my airpad with full routing for $2.99 and no dongles.
I plan to use my phone as a hot spot anyway so this works perfect for me.
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The settings menu sets up and configures the WiFi. There is also a configuration menu for ethernet. It shows that it can be enabled but that there is no device found. There is the option to include all the TCP/IP information to connect to a wired network. The question then is - Will there be released an ethernet device presumeable able to plug into the USB (Host) port??????
You are correct, the ethernet settings are for a wired ethernet USB device. Right now we're focused on the tablet itself, and details about accessories will come later. If any of our users wish to experiment with ethernet USB options, we encourage that too.
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I have been playing with my Airpad. So far so good. EXCEPT not quite so sure about battery life-still playing around.
I was wondering about accessories.
Can you guys offer a good case, screen protector.
PS. Next Airpad:
Honeycomb
two cameras-(cant see what I'm aiming at to take the picture)
Longer battery life.
Hard/External Volume, and camera buttons.
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I'd like to use the circle battery mod from UOT kitchen
http://uot.dakra.lt/kitchen/
for 2.3.x you upload 2 files:
framework-res.apk and SystemUI.apk
and it creates a .zip file to apply for the
patch. I'm unsure how one applies .zip
file's without clockworkmod recovery
to install them? B:(
Does anyone know how to do this?
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I am wondering if I can use the AirPad to replace some of my TV watching. Could I use the tablet to watch the news from this link: http://video.foxbusiness.com/
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I am wondering if I can use the AirPad to replace some of my TV watching. Could I use the tablet to watch the news from this link: http://video.foxbusiness.com/
Just tested this on my device and the video seems to work fine.
Hope this helps.
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Just tested this on my device and the video seems to work fine.
Hope this helps.
Helps greatly J.B. thanks for taking the time. I've heard that some tablets won't display... or play the videos that make up so much of the Internet now.
I don't watch much of what most people call TV. But I do often have a TV playing (like even now) when I am on line. I am considering switching my news watching to a tablet. Maybe even ditching basic cable altogether. Hulu and Netflex have a lot to offer as a replacement. But I do like the 24/7 news. I think tablets and smartphones may be the way to go.
Thanks again!
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Where's the phone? :'
And, I'll second noam's request for built-in (or even USB plug-in) RF though the WiFi connection may reduce the need.
I am unable to comment on plans and development, we are listening though. >!
Go pick up the Skype software!! You can call anywhere in the U.S. and Canada for free Skype-to-Skype, and for just a few cents you can call ANY phone land line. I don't know about cell Phones, but probably smart-phones too.
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Go pick up the Skype software!! You can call anywhere in the U.S. and Canada for free Skype-to-Skype, and for just a few cents you can call ANY phone land line. I don't know about cell Phones, but probably smart-phones too.
Will my girlfriend be able to send me nude pictures that way?
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21qPa7ZlTHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Threw Skype... no, but threw email... yes
>!
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Skype as phone: using Skype to Skype; of course you can talk with your girlfriend while she's nude!! HA! You can even SEE her, as long as she's willing.
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Netflix runs fine on my Airpad. Watched the Ironclad movie on it night before last over my internet.
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Well it seems this device was an Android Tablet for a very short time.
See Thread
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=25267.0
X-10 switched AP from Android to Amazon for reason as yet unknow. :o
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X-10 switched AP from Android to Amazon for reason as yet unknow. :o
It appears to have been an issue with licencing ??? ::) :'
However rumor has it you can load a old ROM to the newer AirPads.
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Is the 7" AirPad OS upgradable to Android 2.3.4? If so, how is that accomplished?
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I agree, the airpad is perfect for a wifi only tablet.
Is anyone out there that can answer?
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If you want this question answered which you posted earlier
Is the 7" AirPad OS upgradable to Android 2.3.4? If so, how is that accomplished?
then my quess is not likely. Read some of the post on root,rooting , no root etc. I do not know if the hardware in the AP7" will even support that operating system.
You can not install Windows 7 64 bit OS on a 386 computer with 256 K of memory.
FYI Most here on the X-10 Air Pad forum areas know very little about the Android Operating system.
If you want an opinion on the quote from your last post
I agree, the airpad is perfect for a wifi only tablet.
then I agree it is a very useful pad for WiFi use.
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Would it run 2.3.4? Probably. Your challenge there would be to find an Airpad ROM with 2.3.4, though. Supposedly X10 anticipates to release a version of Anrdoid 4.0 in the coming months, so I'm sure they'll skip 2.3.4 entirely. If you really want 2.3.4, your only bet is probably an unofficial release from the development community – and I wouldn't hold my breathe since most of them probably have their sights set on other projects.
The Airpad comes with 2.3.1, which is virtually identical to 2.3.4. The main difference is that 2.3.4 has better support for video chat. However, even with 2.3.4, there's questions about whether the Airpad's camera would still work with most video chat software.
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I've been told just recently by a developer and the x10 tech support that 2.3.1 is upgradeable to 2.3.4; however, the questions as to how and the video chat go unanswered.