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🛡Home Security => Home Security General => Topic started by: SpareParts on November 19, 2011, 07:46:33 PM
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It is true X10 only Manufacture in China has shutdown. and the only X10 systems and accessory are what is ether in suppler stock or in shipment to them after that runs out there will be no more X10 available. unless someone pick up the operation. But I think with other newer wireless systems with more capabilities like 32bit systems. I think anyone would be crazy to
try and buy the rights to manufacture such old technology. Pules start up cost. I have been in manufacturing for over 35 years and support two operations in China and more in other locations so I know what it would take and it's not going to happen unless someone is crazy as I said to many new systems out there. I sorry to see it go to i have been use it since 92.
I have the pro 2000 and have stocked up on spares. But am thinking of going to a console that operates on a different frequency. But will allow me to use same magnetic switches and just change the transmitters. But I wiil still need to replace all other transmitters. But that I will do over time I will tap into the pro 2000 and add a slave relay to give a input to my new system.
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It is true X10 only Manufacture in China has shutdown. and the only X10 systems and accessory are what is ether in suppler stock or in shipment to them after that runs out there will be no more X10 available. unless someone pick up the operation.
Is this a question or a statement?
If a statement, do you know for sure? Does this information come through your China manufacturing sources?
If a question....
X10 has not confirmed they have ceased all manufacturing and are not likely to do so. (which is why I am asking are you sure, I think everyone would like to know "for sure") but the growing evidence sure points to that. "X10" supply is drying up and at the same time "X10.com" is marketing 3rd party devices that have the same functionality as old X10 products.
Actually this may give a bounce to smarthome.com. Even better if old PLC companies like ACT and PCS would revive their old X10 protocol products.
I wonder about "buying the rights" to manufacture. For example, would there be a "rights to manufacture" issues if you wanted to copy the module design of the early single board Lamp Modules, Appliance Modules, of the mid 1980's (?). Obviously protocol patents are not an issue. Also I doubt anyone would want to copy the CM15A or SC1200 or the software.
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Is this a question or a statement? If a statement, do you know for sure? .................
Good questions dave w.
SpareParts posted a total of four times (at this time). Three of those posting was this same rumor post. I have half a notion to remove all those posting... and this complete thread. I think we've read enough of these sourceless posts. I'd be happy to be enlightened with some factual information.... but negative rumors at the expense of the people who provide us with this forum... is JUST WRONG.
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I wonder about "buying the rights" to manufacture.
Any patents expired years ago and there are companies already manufacturing devices for 230V/50Hz. One or more may find the North American market attractive if X-10 is truly out of the picture.
- http://www.x10bus.com/about/
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Smarthome has actually started making x10 only compatible modules again.
They look like the Icon line of devices with the firmware changed to only support X10 and not the Insteon/X10 combination.
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Smarthome has actually started making x10 only compatible modules again.
They look like the Icon line of devices with the firmware changed to only support X10 and not the Insteon/X10 combination.
I think that is really interesting!
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Smarthome has actually started making x10 only compatible modules again.
They look like the Icon line of devices with the firmware changed to only support X10 and not the Insteon/X10 combination.
Thank God! Well I'm not really surprised good marketing move only thing probably will be a significant increase in price, just guessing on this one. ???
Tom j.
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Well $19.99 for most isn't an X10 deal price but the latest EBay dealers prices aren't that great anymore.
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To Dave W.
Dave sorry for my late reply I have been on a trip and just returned Sunday night. My post was because I had seen other post questing X10 Security System supply.. SC1200 and that they had heard that it was shutting down orations in China.
My information did not come from our China orations. but I have asked three Chines collages to see if they can find out anything about it. I don't think I will get any information as most likely the China X10 manufacture has many product lines and dose not operate under the X10 name and may only be shutting the X10 operation down. And my contacts are only in Shanghai area and two economic zones out side Shanghai.
But my statement that it is true is because I had orders with a US vender for several items some multiple. I had placed the order and all items where to be shipped in one shipment But I started getting one or two pieces at a time witch was costing the vender more for shipping. But the vender assured me that he complete the order.
After three weeks he called and said he could not complete the order and gave me a more then he had to refund and also the name of two other venders that had what i needed.
He also told me that X10 china was or had already stopped all manufacturing. He said he had been receiving small shipments and many items that should have been in the shipments where not. And that's why he had said be able to complete my order. I have used this vender for many years not just for X10. Also one of the vender's he gave me also confirmed what he told me. But was able to supply me with what I needed. As you can see I have not given the name of either vender as I don't think I should I don't know who they deal with and would not want to hurt any vender to vender relationships. If you still feel you want to remove my post that's OK with me. I am only stating what I have been told to date. I am sure if anyone here also has a working relationship with any X10 third party venders they will most likely get the same info. Best from Spare parts
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If you still feel you want to remove my post that's OK with me. I am only stating what I have been told to date. I am sure if anyone here also has a working relationship with any X10 third party venders they will most likely get the same info. Best from Spare parts
Remove your post? Not me. If I had the power to remove posts, it would be applied to all the ding dongs too lazy to read the instructions to get answers to their questions.
Since you spoke of China operations, I was just asking if your comment of X10 manufacture being shutting down was from a "source in the know". Thanks for the information!
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Dave W.
I was not sure if there is a maxim size for a post, so this is a continuation to my reply to you. I also ordered a X10 console from I don't want to say who. But it was not from either vender
that was given to me by my original vender.
I received it yesterday with two other X10 alarm items the outer shipping box was damage free. But the X10 controller box looked like it had been used for a warehouse lunch time hockey game puck many times. I called the vender and they are in the process of issuing a RMA and return shipping labels. and have assured me that they have more "NEW ones in stock"
The controller box was badly damaged. But on inspection of the unit itself it looked like a return, casing was damaged and screws where all loose as it had been opened for repair.
If they don't replace it then I will let this forum know who shipped it to me. The only reason I added this as it may also support that supply is drying up for X10 alarm systems.
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The only reason I added this as it may also support that supply is drying up for X10 alarm systems.
Yeah, I have yet to see anything that indicates X10 manufacturing has not shut down or that it will return. Looks like Smarthome will be the main source of X10 protocol.
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Yeah, I have yet to see anything that indicates X10 manufacturing has not shut down or that it will return.
Here you go: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=25476.msg144425#msg144425
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Here you go: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=25476.msg144425#msg144425
If the SC1200 and other products are not discontinued, why are they offering new security systems and products that are not compatible with X-10 at all? Just to cause more confusion for their customers?
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.... why are they offering new security systems and products that are not compatible with X-10 at all?
Why not? Is every part on your car compatible with every car made buy the car company that made it? When and where has cross-compatibility ever been a sign of a desire to manufacture?
I think some people are just trying to bash X10. Do you think smarthome should limit their catalog to a single protocol? What does protocol have to do with factories in China?
Give me a break guys! People are coming out of the woodwork [like cockroaches] repeating old rumors that have already been proven to be LIES. If they read the threads here they would know that. I mean... just think about it! If X10 closed it's doors and shut-down in August... like the original rumor... how could you be reading this forum.
By-the-way... I sorta like the look of the new SkyLink security system. It does have the keypad everyone always asks for.
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I sorta like the look of the new SkyLink security system.
SkyLink isn't new although it may be new to X10. They've been around for quite some time and what surprises me about X10 working with them is that they make some Insteon related products.
- http://www.skylinkhome.com/
- http://www.smarthome.com/pr08-09.html
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Give me a break guys! People are coming out of the woodwork [like cockroaches] repeating old rumors that have already been proven to be LIES. If they read the threads here they would know that. I mean... just think about it! If X10 closed it's doors and shut-down in August... like the original rumor... how could you be reading this forum.
I haven't seen the rumors proven to be lies. What I have seen is most X10 products are no longer available. I also don't see anyone saying X10 closed it's doors, just that they have stopped manufacturing X10 protocol products.
As far as the forum, I can show you sites all over the internet, still up and running, even though the company is out of business. I'm not saying X10 is though.
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I think the article that started the "rumor" is over here in the first post http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=24447.0 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=24447.0)
Key below points seems to be consistent in light of recent events
1) >"its factories will cease making products for controlling lights and other devices over the powerline." quote from above article.
2) >"X10 has devolved into a somewhat trashy Website peddling cheap wireless cameras and other gadgets. That business may continue, according to sources." quote from above article
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I sorta like the look of the new SkyLink security system.
SkyLink isn't new although it may be new to X10. They've been around for quite some time and what surprises me about X10 working with them is that they make some Insteon related products.
- http://www.skylinkhome.com/
- http://www.smarthome.com/pr08-09.html
Im kinda curious about the skylink swing door openers and latches are they compatible with x10 and how is it setup it ir strictly rf or can it be connected to a universal module to provide comtact closure. I like the reliabllity of PLC as opposed to RF if possible.
Kenrad
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Yeah, I have yet to see anything that indicates X10 manufacturing has not shut down or that it will return.
Here you go: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=25476.msg144425#msg144425
The statement stands.
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I haven't seen the rumors proven to be lies.
I exchanged emails with the originator of the "X10 is in receivership" LIE... and posted that information here on the forums (in two places). She admitted she had made up the story... but was pleased that it was being repeated. Ether your not reading... or you're just trying to make trouble.
I think it's about time we put an end to posts designed to discredit X10. A little rant here and there is fine... maybe even good for the group of regulars here. But this wholesale crapping where you eat.... is distasteful. Where is your shame.
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I haven't seen the rumors proven to be lies.
I exchanged emails with the originator of the "X10 is in receivership" LIE... and posted that information here on the forums (in two places). She admitted she had made up the story... but was pleased that it was being repeated. Ether your not reading... or you're just trying to make trouble.
I think it's about time we put an end to posts designed to discredit X10. A little rant here and there is fine... maybe even good for the group of regulars here. But this wholesale crapping where you eat.... is distasteful. Where is your shame.
I must have missed that, sorry. A link would be nice. None of my posts were designed to discredit X10, just pointing out what I have noticed. Why do you take it so personally? What do I have to be ashamed about? Relax.
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I think the article that started the "rumor" is over here in the first post ...................
Key below points seems to be consistent in light of recent events
Above.... I removed everything that isn't honest (or points to that blog link). YES... we all know and have read the lies posted on that blog. Repeating that LIE is just plain wrong! Calling X10 or its products names.... isn't proper.
Please note, The Forum does have an general etiquette (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=12842.msg71324#msg71324). Please observe it.
• If you cannot find it in yourself to post nothing but a NEGATIVE RANT about X10 Products, then your post will be MOVED, not DELETED, to the General Discussion Forum by the members of the Community Forum.
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.... None of my posts were designed to discredit X10, just pointing out what I have noticed. Why do you take it so personally? What do I have to be ashamed about? Relax.
Oh trust me... I didn't take it personally!
I have nothing against ranting a bit about X10. I had hated their old Web Site with pictures of half-naked models and I didn't mind making that clear. But if your going to post negatives about what you notice... please take time to notice a little more accurately. I shouldn't need to point this out as I assume we are all grownups here. But the people that answer the phones and perform the various jobs and tasks at X10... are ALL REAL HUMANS. Whereas they may or maynot love their jobs... if X10 stops paying them... I'd bet most would have to quit showing up. This isn't the best time to be without a job.
However.... I am sure your a man of limitless means and you may fully plan to reimburse any X10 employees that could suffer loses due to your wreckless spreading of rumors. If that is the case... then certainly you have NOTHING to be ashamed of. I will just relax.... knowing you'll be doing the right thing.
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Nice rant. I guess the link I asked for (where she admitted to lying) was too much.
Funny you think I would be responsible for anyone at X10 losing a job, I did get a laugh out of that. I didn't spread any rumors, just pointed out that you can't curently get many X10 powerline products. Are you saying that's not true?
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Nice rant.
No rant from me.... although I am writting things I wouldn't think would need explained.
I guess the link I asked for (where she admitted to lying) was too much.
True. You can search the forums... it might do you good to learn how to search for information.
I didn't spread any rumors, just pointed out that you can't curently get many X10 powerline products.
Yes... your so right! We should all thank you for saving us from having to read the catalog ourselves. Thanks for the thoughtfulness.
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Peace! No name calling on my part as they were direct quotes to contribute to the discussion: "x10 only Manufacture in China has shutdown." I modified my original post to make that clear. Finally I did not get the memo how you discredited the article. If you haven't done so already, you can easily post the "memo" directly on Julie Jacobson blog entry in comment section and make your case there. I would strongly suggest you do so to warn others like me.
I think the article that started the "rumor" is over here in the first post ...................
Key below points seems to be consistent in light of recent events
Above.... I removed everything that isn't honest (or points to that blog link). YES... we all know and have read the lies posted on that blog. Repeating that LIE is just plain wrong! Calling X10 or its products names.... isn't proper.
Please note, The Forum does have an general etiquette (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=12842.msg71324#msg71324). Please observe it.
• If you cannot find it in yourself to post nothing but a NEGATIVE RANT about X10 Products, then your post will be MOVED, not DELETED, to the General Discussion Forum by the members of the Community Forum.
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Just to throw to the discussion some of what I found on this, The report I read was from August and stated that x10 would stop manufacturing products.
http://www.cepro.com/article/the_end_of_x10 (http://www.cepro.com/article/the_end_of_x10)
My setup right now is almost purely X10. I may look into some insteon, UPB, and/or z-wave in the near future if the X10 market slows enough.
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Just to throw to the discussion some of what I found on this, The report I read was from August and stated that x10 would stop manufacturing products.
http://www.cepro.com/article/the_end_of_x10 (http://www.cepro.com/article/the_end_of_x10)
My setup right now is almost purely X10. I may look into some insteon, UPB, and/or z-wave in the near future if the X10 market slows enough.
That "article" has been discussed on a different thread for a few months.
Here is the link to that other thread:
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=24447.0
Apparently, one of the forum members contacted the author directly, and she admitted that she made the whole thing up.
You can read all the details in the other thread.
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..... My setup right now is almost purely X10. I may look into some insteon, UPB, and/or z-wave in the near future if the X10 market slows enough.
I would never restrict my Home Automation (or my diet) to just one flavor. Although I mostly use X10... I use non-X10 and plenty of "non-X10 controlled" automation. There are no rules on what a good or proper setup consists of.
I've was never able to get a crystal ball to work for me. So... I really have no idea what the future will bring. But if you think GE is a well managed and cleverly positioned politically than Z-Wave should look pretty good to you. If you want to hang on to the coattails of the big boys like the alarm and cable company's.... aren't they invested in INSTEON(?).
The smart money would be on hangin loose and just waiting to see how things play out. But HA Systems aren't static... most people are constantly changing and improving their HA. Where do we go from here? And that is the question for most of here... I think. What do we do... whats next. Its a good time to own spare parts. Most stuff seems somewhat backwards compatible to the X10 protocol.
Remember..... we're all in this together.