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X10 AirPad Android Tablet => AirPad General Discussions => Topic started by: ntx10 on February 03, 2012, 04:54:43 PM
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A question for all of us that bought the first version of the AirPad. Will ICS work on the device and if so how do you get it installed? I'm fairly happy with me pad, the price drop hacked me off and then another.
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I've been told X10 is working on a installer for this.
I'm sure more details will follow once they have all the code inplace.
I've been told there will be no TTS or VR configuration and no google market for this.
However since the google market install posted on my site works with the AirPad P with ICS it should work for us. ::) :'
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I hope you'll keep us up to date on this. Having an installer would definitely make things easier. Have you talked with x10 on whether this would void the warranty or not? Or whether they might be interested in using it to customer support? Part of the reason I bought the airpad (among many features I liked) was it being billed as being Droid 4 upgradable.
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There are still plans for X10 to release this to us free of charge.
The issue is the manufacturer, Once they have something then X10 can get to work making it available.
As for warranty it has allready expired on the originals.
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Oh, ICS for original AirPad 7 will be great! I have many troubles with original formware and hope that ICS will solve my issues. -:)
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I am waiting for the ICS upgrade for the original 7 inch Airpad 1. I beleive that I`m not the only one. I sincerely hope that X10 will not let us down on this one. Informations read on the X10 forum pointed out that the Airpdad would be upgradable, that was the major reason I bought it. Was this an early adopter mistake?
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We were just told this week that ICS should be available for the first airpad soon.
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Hi X10 Repair Depot. Thank you for confirming that ICS is on its way for original 7 inch Airpad owners. :)%
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We were just told this week that ICS should be available for the first airpad soon.
Will it install ICS also for the Airpad 7p I bought in early December 2011?
When ICS is installed with the installer will the apps be erased, or will they all stay on there? I understand some apps do not work under ICS that do work in GB. A compatibility checker would be nice.
///Polly
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We were just told this week that ICS should be available for the first airpad soon.
Will it install ICS also for the Airpad 7p I bought in early December 2011?
No.
There is a separate build for the 7P as it was made by a different manufacturer
See the sticky for 7P ICS &GB images http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=h59e2l14chi8ttrltr1gsvslv7&topic=26336.msg148626#msg148626
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All,
I want to update that status of the ICS release for the original airpad.
Upgrading the Android OS involves a lot of work. The CPU manufacturer needs to do work, as does the motherboard manufacturer, the manufacturer of the tablet, and X10. There is a delay somewhere in that chain. This software is still being worked on, and is still expected to be released, but I cannot give an ETA at this time.
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I would not have purchased this device if I wasn't assured ahead of time that it would receive a fully-functional version of Ice Cream Sandwich at some point.
If one isn't forthcoming, then I expect X10 to offer full refunds since my purchase was based on a promise that wasn't fulfilled. Even if the breakdown is with some other part of the supply chain, X10 guaranteed the update would be coming, so my fingers will point squarely to this company.
I'm still holding out hope for the update. I'm just putting my concerns on record now so X10 can prepare for the possible customer service complaints (I'm still angry that I didn't receive the device for over a month after my credit card was billed, so it would be nice if they were more on the ball for future issues to make up for it).
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This software is still being worked on, and is still expected to be released, but I cannot give an ETA at this time.
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This software is still being worked on, and is still expected to be released, but I cannot give an ETA at this time.
Hoping for the best. Expecting the worst. B:(
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Will ICS for AirPad 7 be rooted out-of-the-box? And will there be a netfilter module for ipfw?
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Hey X10 Repair Depot... any word on ICS for the original 7? I've only bought two items from X10 and have not had a good experience with either one. When I purchased the original 7 ICS was on the way they inferred... so I'm checking in.
For my 199 I spent, I could have gotten a Kindle, Acer Iconia or saved some money and bought the 7P. Didn't realize I was a beta tester at the time.
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NTX10,
The factory is telling me that they are continuing to work on ICS. As I posted earlier, there is a lot of work needed to get this completed and it is not done yet.
The 7 has a stable GB OS, so i'm not sure what you are referring to with the beta tester comment.
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So if ICS never gets released for the original 7 do we all get a refund? GB is fairly stable on the original 7, however mine has been shutting off when in standby. I've had one charger go bad, luckily within the 90 days since the one I have now has to be set just right to charge.
How I feel for buying product #2 from x10.. should have stopped after the first one. B:(
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NTX10,
The 7 has a stable GB OS, so i'm not sure what you are referring to with the beta tester comment.
Gingerbread is stable on the Original Airpad 7 the same way a newborn colt is stable on its four legs. Sure, it can stand up and maybe take a few steps, but eventually it's going to crash.
Random restarts/power offs. "Insufficient Space" error messages when updating apps (despite having plenty of free space). Piss-poor battery management. App incompatibilities. Occasional severe lag in the touchscreen. Severe overheating. Frequent "Process Has Stopped Responding" messages.
Granted, some of those probably have more to do with poor hardware design than the OS, but surely some of that can be resolved with software fixes if ICS is adapted to the tablet correctly.
At this point, I really don't expect a version of ICS. Why bother from the manufacturer's perspective? There will be a day soon when I raise a lot of hell (demands to "customer service" for a refund, contacting the BBB with screencaps of their posts promising ICS before I bought it, etc.) Honestly, not having ICS isn't a HUGE deal to me, but a company promising something and not delivering on it is. You have a responsibility to make good on what you say.
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I just looked at the Shenzhen Zizpo website and they have no downloads available for any of their tablets. Nada, zilch, zizpo! (pun intended)
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At least X10 Repair Depot is in communication with factory with possible upgrade most low end tablets are abandoned to focus on newer models. Couple of links to monitor "activity"
1. Shenzhen Lanyu Electronics Co the manufacturer. Their English links are now broken... putting the site through google translate the LANYU 910 no longer appears on product listing. (Still there click here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sz-lanyu.com%2FCh%2FProduct-112.html)) http://www.sz-lanyu.com (http://www.sz-lanyu.com)
2. There isn't much activity on slatedroid. There was one main developer looking at the code but now all is quiet.
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/22147-lanyu-910-x10-airpad/ (http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/22147-lanyu-910-x10-airpad/)
Lots has changed from fourth quarter 2011. The Allwinner A10/A13 chipset is dominating entry level "no name" tablets from China. I see more 7" Allwinner A10/A13 tablets with capacitive screens breaking the $100 threshold. As a results there is movement towards dual core with better than the 800*480 screen resolutions in order to climb up the food chain.
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Any news at all concerning ICS for the original Airpad? As most early adopters the upgrade capacity was the first reason I bought it, so I am looking forward for ICS on my original 7 inch Airpad.
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Any news at all concerning ICS for the original Airpad? As most early adopters the upgrade capacity was the first reason I bought it, so I am looking forward for ICS on my original 7 inch Airpad.
I have not had any communication with the manufacturer for a few weeks. I will follow up with them tomorrow and I will post when I hear back.
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Hi X10 Repair Depot, Thanks for keeping up posted on ICS for the original Airpad.
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I have not had any communication with the manufacturer for a few weeks. I will follow up with them tomorrow and I will post when I hear back.
Thank you for doing your best to keep us informed.
Do you happen to know what X10's plan will be if it's determined there will be no Ice Cream Sandwich update? You've following the forums and you know that some of us are still waiting patiently. Would you be willing to go to bat for us with the higher ups? My fear is that X10 can avoid ever having to arbitrate this issue because they can always just say they're waiting on the manufacturer. That could go on indefinitely until those of waiting finally just give up and move on, ending the problem from X10's end.
X10 promised an update. If it's really on its way, then great. If not, then X10 has a responsibility to make it right with their customers. Offering refunds, discounts on new full-featured tablets -- anything would be a step in the right direction and would help redeem X10's reputation in my eyes.
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The tablet's manufacturer is still waiting for work to be done by the company who supplied the motherboard. There is no ETA, but it is still being worked on. As I mentioned on a thread previously, upgrading to ICS is a very difficult process and it does take time. We will release it when it is ready.
Do keep in mind that the version that is released will not support Google Play / Market per Google's licensing agreement.
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I hope you mean that Google Play will not be installed "out of box" but anyone will be able to install it manually ::)
...still waiting for ICS... >*<
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Any word on this? I just purchased this, thinking that I would have full access
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I just gave mine to my nephew to play games on and reserved a Nexus 7, which isn't exactly ideal either (no SD card slot, etc), but at least it'll have the backing of a real company.
Worst $200 I've ever spent. Lesson learned.
Still kind of feel like I was lied to about this Ice Cream Sandwich update, but I'm so disgusted with this thing that I'm not sure I care any more.
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Like many others that have posted here (and probably many who haven't) I am eager to see an ICS upgrade for the original Airpad 7. I have been following this thread for many months and, although 'X10 Repair Depot' has tried to keep us informed, the posts seemed to have stopped over the last couple of months.
Yes, gingerbread is 99% stable on the OA7 but the early adopters were promised upgrades when we purchased our devices. It has been highlighted before by others in this thread, but please can you keep to your promise and provide the services as advertised.
We fully understand that you have a dependancy on the manufacturer but at least provide us with an update in this thread on a regular basis (twice a month?) to keep us informed. Even if it's a quick note to say 'We've not forgotten you but there is no progress yet!'
I am a long time X10 customer and always recommend your automation products to friends and family. Please don't allow this minor issue to diminish my respect for your excellent company, products and services.
Thank you.
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I am giving it up, my last purchase from X10 was the $200, a couple of weeks later, $160 tablet that is a great e-Reader. WiFi is not stable, battery drains quick when Wifi does work.
I had an issue with mine after just a couple of weeks, within the return for refund window. I got the RMA, returned the unit and was surprised when another one showed up. I called up and ask to return this new one but was told that it was outside of the return for refund window. They were sorry I had asked for a refund and got an exchange but tough cookies, in X10's world the customer is never right.
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Yeah my Wifi gives me "Error" ALL the time, and I have to reboot to get it to work, I WAS debating on sending it back, but it is going back now, just too many things happening.
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FWIW, I still plan to file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. I'd recommend taking a few minutes to do it yourselves.
They've had 95 BBB complaints closed in the last year. That certainly seems like quite a few for a relatively small company. Here's a link to the details (for as long as they'll allow it to stay up):
http://www.bbb.org/western-washington/business-reviews/surveillance-equipment-sales-and-service/x10-wireless-technology-in-renton-wa-78000149
I intend to bring up two important problems. First, they didn't tell me at checkout that the product was out of stock, then billed my credit card for a product that took over a month to ship with no updates along the way. And then there's this problem with not delivering on their guarantees/promises.
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The new Nexus 7 from Google looks pretty good. Google will always keep the latest OS available.
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Like many others that have posted here (and probably many who haven't) I am eager to see an ICS upgrade for the original Airpad 7. I have been following this thread for many months and, although 'X10 Repair Depot' has tried to keep us informed, the posts seemed to have stopped over the last couple of months.
Yes, gingerbread is 99% stable on the OA7 but the early adopters were promised upgrades when we purchased our devices. It has been highlighted before by others in this thread, but please can you keep to your promise and provide the services as advertised.
We fully understand that you have a dependancy on the manufacturer but at least provide us with an update in this thread on a regular basis (twice a month?) to keep us informed. Even if it's a quick note to say 'We've not forgotten you but there is no progress yet!'
I am a long time X10 customer and always recommend your automation products to friends and family. Please don't allow this minor issue to diminish my respect for your excellent company, products and services.
Thank you.
Reignman,
I have not heard any updates since my last post. ICS is still being worked on by the manufacturer and as soon as I hear an update I will let everybody know.
All,
We still intend to release ICS for the original airpad, but as I said earlier, we are waiting for work to be done by other companies that we do not have control over. We have been told that this work is being done, but it is taking longer than expected. Secondly, it is not like this device is the last device that has not had an ICS update yet. My son's relatively high end smartphone, the HTC Rezound, still is running Gingerbread with an ICS update promised. Both HTC and Verizon are a bit bigger than X10. If it can take these companies 7+ months to release an update, it is certainly reasonable that it will take the tablet's manufacturer as long or longer.
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Like many others that have posted here (and probably many who haven't) I am eager to see an ICS upgrade for the original Airpad 7. I have been following this thread for many months and, although 'X10 Repair Depot' has tried to keep us informed, the posts seemed to have stopped over the last couple of months.
Yes, gingerbread is 99% stable on the OA7 but the early adopters were promised upgrades when we purchased our devices. It has been highlighted before by others in this thread, but please can you keep to your promise and provide the services as advertised.
We fully understand that you have a dependancy on the manufacturer but at least provide us with an update in this thread on a regular basis (twice a month?) to keep us informed. Even if it's a quick note to say 'We've not forgotten you but there is no progress yet!'
I am a long time X10 customer and always recommend your automation products to friends and family. Please don't allow this minor issue to diminish my respect for your excellent company, products and services.
Thank you.
Reignman,
I have not heard any updates since my last post. ICS is still being worked on by the manufacturer and as soon as I hear an update I will let everybody know.
All,
We still intend to release ICS for the original airpad, but as I said earlier, we are waiting for work to be done by other companies that we do not have control over. We have been told that this work is being done, but it is taking longer than expected. Secondly, it is not like this device is the last device that has not had an ICS update yet. My son's relatively high end smartphone, the HTC Rezound, still is running Gingerbread with an ICS update promised. Both HTC and Verizon are a bit bigger than X10. If it can take these companies 7+ months to release an update, it is certainly reasonable that it will take the tablet's manufacturer as long or longer.
How about releasing the code, at least then, we could get some dev's on it.
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We do not own the code.
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We do not own the code.
Who can we contact to get the source released?
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We do not own the code.
Who can we contact to get the source released?
I suppose you could try the manufacturer (Zizpo), but I think that would be a long shot.
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We do not own the code.
Who can we contact to get the source released?
I suppose you could try the manufacturer (Zizpo), but I think that would be a long shot.
What would be the model number for Zizpo?
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Any news regarding ICS for the original AirPads? It has been a long time since we had any.Information would be greatly appreciated by all the early adopters.
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I no longer even see tablets in the catalog. I am using my tablet more all the time. From viewing cameras..... to even this post.
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Even the few tablets listed in the 'Certified Like New' section of the sales web site appear to be all gone.
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Mine is actually a Visual Land brand..... but I think the same. They have an active Web Site.... by the same name. (This posted using the tablet, from the doctors office).
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One month later, again I ask :Any news regarding ICS for the original AirPads? It has been a long time since we had any.Information would be greatly appreciated by all the early adopters.
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One month later, again I ask :Any news regarding ICS for the original AirPads? It has been a long time since we had any.Information would be greatly appreciated by all the early adopters.
I am sure Apple IPad 3 owners are feeling the same way you are right now since the IPad 4 was announced. :'( IIRC, it has been a year since the original Airpad came out and Android has release three operating systems in that time.
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One month later, again I ask :Any news regarding ICS for the original AirPads? It has been a long time since we had any.Information would be greatly appreciated by all the early adopters.
I have been following up on this regularly with the software developers. Right now they are still waiting for work to be done by the motherboard manufacturer. They cannot provide an ETA at this time.
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How much longer for ICS on this tablet? I'm having some flaky issues with memory/storage on my unit and don't know whether I should reload the original software or wait a bit longer....
Also, does anyone know if there are any hacks, or third-party loads out there to give this thing a refresh?
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How much longer for ICS on this tablet?
Surley you jest.
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I'm afraid there will be no ICS for X10 Airpad 7. We already waited for one year and no miracle happened... >*<
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Sorry to say this but it is never going to happen people.
X-10 does not write tablet firmware and the company that made this tablet does not have any intentions at this time to invest any time or money on this antique.
In the future only buy tablets that you can do actual research on and are sold by a reputable manufacturer.
Two examples of tablets that you know are going to be updated on a regular basis as long as the hardware can support it are the Google Nexus (Google writes android)
and of course the Apple tablets (IOS is written by Apple).
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Also add to the list any tablets that can run cyanogenmod or/and with an active community of developers supporting it. Example: Amazon Kindle Fire Series, BN Nook, HP touchpad, etc). My HP Touchpad that came with WebOS has been orphaned for over year yet is being upgraded continuously with cyanogenmod releases
Two examples of tablets that you know are going to be updated on a regular basis as long as the hardware can support it are the Google Nexus (Google writes android)
and of course the Apple tablets (IOS is written by Apple).
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Also add to the list any tablets that can run cyanogenmod or/and with an active community of developers supporting it. Example: Amazon Kindle Fire Series, BN Nook, HP touchpad, etc). My HP Touchpad that came with WebOS has been orphaned for over year yet is being upgraded continuously with cyanogenmod releases
Keep them coming!
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It's been about a year since my last complaint, I thought I'd check in and see if X10 ever delivered on their promise. I'm not surprised to see they didn't. But I'm happy to see they don't seem to be selling tablets any more.
Been using my Nexus 7 (that cost about the same amount as my original Airpad) for about a year now and it's wonderful. Everything I had hoped the Airpad would deliver on. A good portion of that is because it has a capable OS (but the much nicer hardware is sweet, too.)
X10, if I have just one recommendation for you as a company, it's this: don't make promises about something that's out of your control. Before I bought the Airpad, I checked in the forums and an X10 employee verified and guaranteed that this tablet would be receiving an OS upgrade. I was surprised given the hardware, but because a company representative made that guarantee, I bought one. Turns out the software update wasn't in your control. You should have stated something along the lines of "Yes, it will be upgraded if we receive an update from the manufacturer" or "We anticipate an update, but can't guarantee one."
In my mind, X10 still owes me $200 for the this hunk of junk that's now in electronics recycling heaven.
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One month later, again I ask :Any news regarding ICS for the original AirPads? It has been a long time since we had any.Information would be greatly appreciated by all the early adopters.
I have been following up on this regularly with the software developers. Right now they are still waiting for work to be done by the motherboard manufacturer. They cannot provide an ETA at this time.
Seriously, when do we get our money back please?
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I hate to say it, probably never.
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I hate to say it, probably never.
Considering you have 4000+ posts and are and Advance/Hero Member of the forum, I have to ask why on Earth you would seem to support a company that so clearly doesn't care about its Airpad customers? And so clearly lied and midlead them?
Do they generally sell quality merchandise and just f*%$ed up on the Airpad?
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Considering you have 4000+ posts and are and Advance/Hero Member of the forum, I have to ask why on Earth you would seem to support a company that so clearly doesn't care about its Airpad customers? And so clearly lied and midlead them?
Why don't you try reading the response again. He isn't supporting X10, He is giving an opinion based on his experience as a long time forum participant.
As far as cjhallx's original question of "when do we get our money back?", cjhallx needs to ask X10, not the users forum. X10 rarely posts on the users forum and I seriously doubt X10 would publically answer that question since it is a no win for them however they answer it.
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My reply was to the X10 admin in the forum, look before you leap. And since I have to explain the obvious, to someone who has read my posts all along, it was said in jest. rofl
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My reply was to the X10 admin in the forum, look before you leap.
I did. What in your post indicates you are directing at X10? I missed that part.
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My reply was to the X10 admin in the forum, look before you leap.
I did. What in your post indicates you are directing at X10? I missed that part.
The fact that he quoted X10 Repair Depot might be a clue. ;)