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🔌General Home Automation => Automating Your House => Topic started by: petera on November 17, 2020, 10:22:32 AM
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Just secured the above on an eBay auction and was wondering if anyone could give me a bit of background on these units and if you own any of them what are you using them for. Thanks.
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See...
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175796#msg175796 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175796#msg175796)
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See...
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175796#msg175796 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175796#msg175796)
Thanks @dhouston I’ve never used x10 via IR. Some very interesting features on those units. Do you still use your Ocelot.
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Thanks @dhouston I’ve never used x10 via IR. Some very interesting features on those units. Do you still use your Ocelot.
No, but I believe Jeff Volp still does.
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Thanks @dhouston I’ve never used x10 via IR. Some very interesting features on those units. Do you still use your Ocelot.
No, but I believe Jeff Volp still does.
Just checked and they are still on sale and quite expensive. Any idea what language the C-Max software is written in. I found this application that seems to support it. http://www.power-home.com/forum/default.asp
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Any idea what language the C-Max software is written in.
No, I don't know any details on the language used although C-Max used ladder logic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladder_logic) which was widely used in early industrial automation and even in pinball machines. From that I would assume that the microcontroller used was one used in programmable logic controllers (PLC) which might constrain the programming language choice(s). Of course, my experience was more than 20 years ago so they may have made changes. However, I've long thought the use of ladder logic was a reason why their market was smaller than it might have been with an easier language. From the Wikipedia citation (linked above)..."In 2019, IEEE Spectrum ranked ladder logic as number 50 out of 52 in a list of popular programming languages."
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Any idea what language the C-Max software is written in.
No, I don't know any details on the language used although C-Max used ladder logic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladder_logic) which was widely used in early industrial automation and even in pinball machines. From that I would assume that the microcontroller used was one used in programmable logic controllers (PLC) which might constrain the programming language choice(s). Of course, my experience was more than 20 years ago so they may have made changes. However, I've long thought the use of ladder logic was a reason why their market was smaller than it might have been with an easier language. From the Wikipedia citation (linked above)..."In 2019, IEEE Spectrum ranked ladder logic as number 50 out of 52 in a list of popular programming languages."
Thanks Dave
Seems the unit was designed with the industrial sector in mind. Might account for it’s original sale price tag too. To be honest I bid on the units out of curiosity and at $35 winning price it won’t break the bank. They are fairly well documented instructions wise so I’ll wait till they arrive and see what happens. Hopefully they won’t become another set of shelf warmers. rofl
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Seems the unit was designed with the industrial sector in mind. Might account for it’s original sale price tag too. To be honest I bid on the units out of curiosity and at $35 winning price it won’t break the bank. They are fairly well documented instructions wise so I’ll wait till they arrive and see what happens. Hopefully they won’t become another set of shelf warmers. rofl
Prior to the CPU-XA & Ocelot, Applied Digital was primarily a supplier of industrial (and theatrical) lighting control systems. I don't know if their location in Branson, Missouri was a factor but Branson would have been an active market for theatrical lighting.
I may be misremembering but I don't think their initial prices were all that high. I bought the CPU-XA but they gave me the Ocelot and Leopard so that might be influencing my memory.
I think you will be happy with your purchase.
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Seems the unit was designed with the industrial sector in mind. Might account for it’s original sale price tag too. To be honest I bid on the units out of curiosity and at $35 winning price it won’t break the bank. They are fairly well documented instructions wise so I’ll wait till they arrive and see what happens. Hopefully they won’t become another set of shelf warmers. rofl
Prior to the CPU-XA & Ocelot, Applied Digital was primarily a supplier of industrial (and theatrical) lighting control systems. I don't know if their location in Branson, Missouri was a factor but Branson would have been an active market for theatrical lighting.
I may be misremembering but I don't think their initial prices were all that high. I bought the CPU-XA but they gave me the Ocelot and Leopard so that might be influencing my memory.
I think you will be happy with your purchase.
Just going by these price lists what I got would retail for over $400 so I think it was worth the winning bid. Fingers crossed I get some practical use from it. https://www.homecontrols.com/Adicon-Ocelot-Stand-Alone-Controller-ATOCELOT
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Just going by these price lists what I got would retail for over $400 so I think it was worth the winning bid. Fingers crossed I get some practical use from it. https://www.homecontrols.com/Adicon-Ocelot-Stand-Alone-Controller-ATOCELOT (https://www.homecontrols.com/Adicon-Ocelot-Stand-Alone-Controller-ATOCELOT)
This post from Jeff Volp a couple of years ago will give you an inkling of the potential.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175777#msg175777 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175777#msg175777)
And, as I noted in that thread, you can add internet control very easily via an ethernet-to-serial adapter.
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Just going by these price lists what I got would retail for over $400 so I think it was worth the winning bid. Fingers crossed I get some practical use from it. https://www.homecontrols.com/Adicon-Ocelot-Stand-Alone-Controller-ATOCELOT (https://www.homecontrols.com/Adicon-Ocelot-Stand-Alone-Controller-ATOCELOT)
This post from Jeff Volp a couple of years ago will give you an inkling of the potential.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175777#msg175777 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30479.msg175777#msg175777)
And, as I noted in that thread, you can add internet control very easily via an ethernet-to-serial adapter.
That’s great Dave. Thanks again for that.
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I've been using an Ocelot here since 2003. Except for some quirky operation several years ago traced to a dried out electrolytic (easily replaced), it has been an excellent controller. CMax took some time to understand, but it can do logic functions and simple math. I added the SECU16 for additional I/O. I have not used its IR capability.
Jeff
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@petera,
This link may prove helpful.
https://people.math.osu.edu/alden.1/ocelot/CPUXAProgramFormat.html (https://people.math.osu.edu/alden.1/ocelot/CPUXAProgramFormat.html)
It details C-Max as it was used on the CPU-XA (forerunner to the Ocelot). It has been far too many years since I played with C-Max and I don't recall whether there were substantial differences between the CPU-XA and Ocelot in terms of programming. Perhaps Jeff can comment on the link.
There are several more links here...http://www.linuxha.com/athome/common/cpuxad/index.html (http://www.linuxha.com/athome/common/cpuxad/index.html)
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@petera,
This link may prove helpful.
https://people.math.osu.edu/alden.1/ocelot/CPUXAProgramFormat.html (https://people.math.osu.edu/alden.1/ocelot/CPUXAProgramFormat.html)
It details C-Max as it was used on the CPU-XA (forerunner to the Ocelot). It has been far too many years since I played with C-Max and I don't recall whether there were substantial differences between the CPU-XA and Ocelot in terms of programming. Perhaps Jeff can comment on the link.
There are several more links here...http://www.linuxha.com/athome/common/cpuxad/index.html (http://www.linuxha.com/athome/common/cpuxad/index.html)
They are very useful links Dave particularly the references to IR Tools. Thanks again for that.
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If you haven't already, I suggest downloading the manual from ADI:
http://appdig.com/manual/Ocelot-2.pdf
And download a copy of CMax and start working with it:
http://www.appdig.com/cmax20/cmaxv200ex318.EXE
Jeff
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If you haven't already, I suggest downloading the manual from ADI:
http://appdig.com/manual/Ocelot-2.pdf
And download a copy of CMax and start working with it:
http://www.appdig.com/cmax20/cmaxv200ex318.EXE
Jeff
Thanks Jeff
I’d be interested to hear about your experiences with the Ocelot and how you deployed it in your setup and how reliable you found it.
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I’d be interested to hear about your experiences with the Ocelot and how you deployed it in your setup and how reliable you found it.
See that post that Dave linked earlier.
Jeff
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I’d be interested to hear about your experiences with the Ocelot and how you deployed it in your setup and how reliable you found it.
See that post that Dave linked earlier.
Jeff
Yes I saw that Jeff. Thanks.
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You will likely find the SECU-16IR a bit cumbersome since it requires hardwired IR transmitters and requires something like the IR543AH for X10 control.
Here's one link that may help a bit (or byte)...http://www.appdig.com/Secu16ir/secu16ir.html (http://www.appdig.com/Secu16ir/secu16ir.html)
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You will likely find the SECU-16IR a bit cumbersome since it requires hardwired IR transmitters and requires something like the IR543AH for X10 control.
Here's one link that may help a bit (or byte)...http://www.appdig.com/Secu16ir/secu16ir.html (http://www.appdig.com/Secu16ir/secu16ir.html)
You must be reading my mind Dave. Yes I see it needs an IR TX/RX unit to learn in IR codes. I’ll check your link now. The package only arrived this afternoon so I borrowed a Windows computer, downloaded the C Max software and glad to say it’s all working now. The seller messaged me to say he found a couple more of those units and for the price of P&P he’ll send them on to me. Decent guy and decent piece of kit too.
Again thanks for those links Dave.
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Yet another link...http://www.remotecentral.com/gsearch.htm?q=+ocelot&cx=partner-pub-4114184632425815%3A93br45-1qzm&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=windows-1252&sa=Search+Now%21&siteurl=www.remotecentral.com%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.remotecentral.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmboard%2Frc-discrete%2Flist.cgi&ss=2496j1410820j6 (http://www.remotecentral.com/gsearch.htm?q=+ocelot&cx=partner-pub-4114184632425815%3A93br45-1qzm&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=windows-1252&sa=Search+Now%21&siteurl=www.remotecentral.com%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.remotecentral.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmboard%2Frc-discrete%2Flist.cgi&ss=2496j1410820j6)
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Yet another link...http://www.remotecentral.com/gsearch.htm?q=+ocelot&cx=partner-pub-4114184632425815%3A93br45-1qzm&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=windows-1252&sa=Search+Now%21&siteurl=www.remotecentral.com%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.remotecentral.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmboard%2Frc-discrete%2Flist.cgi&ss=2496j1410820j6 (http://www.remotecentral.com/gsearch.htm?q=+ocelot&cx=partner-pub-4114184632425815%3A93br45-1qzm&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=windows-1252&sa=Search+Now%21&siteurl=www.remotecentral.com%2Fsearch.htm&ref=www.remotecentral.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmboard%2Frc-discrete%2Flist.cgi&ss=2496j1410820j6)
Brilliant post and I’d forgotten I am a member here too. http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-prontong/thread.cgi?3777
I’m going right through all your posts now and trying to figure out what the best use I can put the Ocelot too. Plenty of food for thought now. Thanks Dave :)%