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📸Cameras & Camera Software => Camera General Discussion => Topic started by: BCTech on August 21, 2005, 12:55:35 AM
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This is false advertising. Saying these
cameras are "Nightvision" or even "Low
light" is a joke. I purchased 3 of these
useless cameras and they cant see anything
at night. As useless as the color cameras
as soon as it starts to get dusk. Very
disappointed and will no longer promote
these to my clients.
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They are not advertised as Infra-Red
cameras which are the only ones that would
work at night.
They do work well in low light, which
obviously does require light. Expecting
them to work as infra-red is illogical.
If you don't have enough light just put a
low light source in the area set to the
same ID# as the camera.
They work exactly as advertised. Don't
blame other people because you don't
understand the difference between low light
and no light.
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lol i see you read his post completely pilot,
hell you even read his first line huh? he
didnt say anything about NO LIGHT, he said
NIGHTVISION and LOW LIGHT again nothing about
no light and iinfra-red.!!! gosh would people
just take the time to read ?? if so things
might function better or like they where
promised to in the first place!!!!!!
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They are not advertised as Infra-Red
which are the only ones that would work at
night.
They do work well in low light, which
obviously does require some light.
Expecting them to work as infra-red is
illogical. If you don't have enough
light just put a low light source in the
area set to the same ID# as the . They
work exactly as advertised.
Don't blame other people because you don't
understand the difference between low light
and no light.
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Good points Pilot ... also, if it is dark,
you would want light to come on with motion
anyway ... to drive away the threat.
Do you want an IR video of people breaking
in, and making off with your property, or
do you want the bandits to get away from
your property?
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Ok a step back so that two steps forward can
be made. Resulting in a whole 1 step.
"Night vision" as defined by
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Night%20Vision
is "ability to see in dim light (as provided
by moon and stars)
so why in the heck would you expect to HAVE
to use a electrical light source!!!!!! These
definitions are NOT something I made up, or
even something left to interpretation, I
think it is very clear on what the definition
by a widely used resource means!!
shall we continue this ??? who would you say
doesnt understand what no light low light and
Night vision means? apparently Pilot has the
understanding problem, but i will be around
to help you whenever i can
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sorry forgot the definition of Infra-Red
" (IR) Electromagnetic waves in the frequency
range just below visible light corresponding
to radiated heat.
IR waves can be generated by a kind of LED"
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OK, when did X-10 start selling Infra-red
cameras? LOL
They sell low light, not no light.
Just read the description carefully and you
will not get confused by those who don't
know what low light means.
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they didnt, your the one that tried to
justify that bctech thought didnt know what
he wanted. how bout you comment on your
ignorance of what night vision meant.
idiot... no offense. but you cant cuz it is
clear you have no understanding. you want to
talk crap about me posting what ir means.
this comes after you cant clearly read and
explain what nightvision means. pilot, i got
all the time in the world we can continue
this for as long as you like. lets see just
how long x10 lets it go
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Oh good, now everyone agrees that they
don't sell IR cameras and the low light
work well in low light, and low light does
not mean total darkness.
Just as I have been saying all along.
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why dont you read your first post in this
thread there you will see you where the first
person to even bring up ir. but since you
didnt know what ir meant i had to post the
definition off of dictionary.com for you. No
one ever said that x10 sold ir, just what ir
meant because for the ignorant person you are
you didnt know apparently. good thing you
cant go back and change your posts!!!! now
all can see for themselves
your ignorance is great because now you are
not mentioning what nightvision is since the
definition was posted. try keeping the
conversation on topic, that would help more
then explaining what x10 doesnt sell.!!!
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Well before I purchased from X10 I did my
homework and found that low light are no
good at all in no light and also that the
IR cameras are actually only good for about
15'. So I went with the flood light w/ cam
and it works great. I get the floods coming
on that in itslf is a deterent and it
swithches VCR on and gets a video of the
person that triggered the lights. Know what
your buying...don't blame the product.
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Careful, with sensible, thoughtful
consideration and using your brain, some of
the fanatics and racists will jump all over
you!
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there you go being helpful again huh mark?
lol NOOOPe
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If you are willing to sacrifice color, and
you want about 13 minutes of extended
usability per day, the nightvision cams are
right for you. Don't expect them to work
in the dark nor with an IR illuminators.
There are tons of other color IR
light/camera combos out there from
countless sources which typically have an
actual 30 ft. range in the dark. Yes those
do work as advertised. Not high quality
but neither are x10. x10 blames the
customer for why their products do not
work. Beware, these fanatics and x10
employees will rant on and on about how
this is untrue. Caveat Emptor is x10's
motto! If you doubt me, read through all
the threads on these forums and you will
see who these nut-job fanatics and x10
employees are.
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All I can say is that there are a bunch of
folks that are all correct in some fashion,
as it is the semantics x-10 and ALL
companies use! It is very very simple, like
waterproof and water resistent! Watch makers
tell you the depths, so you have a
measurement. To be fair X-10 should qualify
their language better, and I thought they
already had a big 30' IR 0 lux, but must be
confusing them with another that is eating x-
10 for lunch, since they cannot get out
anything new that is great and or leading
edge since the Vanguards! OEM anything in
the mean time,as your "product holes" are
where the rats comeing in which only opens
you to competitors with significantly
newer,better and cheaper technology!
Nightvision is relative term and that is
thge reason for the whole issue, that is
hopefully done,finis!
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The sales person on the phone was fully
aware of my intended application. He
recommended the Nightvision camera stating
that the color camera would not work. He
said nothing about adding a spot light, and
stressed the ability of the camera to work
in low light. False Advertising & deceptive
sales practices!
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Jaames has the right approach. Research is
the best approach before spending or
wasting a lot of time and money. I
personally have been involved with X10
almost since it came on the market. I have
learned that it is more important to
understand how the product works or more
important what makes it fail before I pass
it on. I have used X10 in applications that
include Nightclubs (jimmiestewart.com,
select the link to X10), Restaurants,
Catering Halls, major corporation
Boardrooms, Churches, etc. I even used X10
when I was retained to coordinate the
appearance of President of the United
States (jimmiestewart.com, select the link
to GHW Bush.
I know very little at this point about
the "Low Light Camera" because I have no
real need for them. Should the need arise I
will purchase whatever is available and
thouroughly check out the pros and cons
before I commit the product to a client.
There are wrinkles with a lot of the X10
products. Learning what they are and how to
get around them has made me a lot of money
over the years. An example would be the 600
watt dimmer. How many know how to make the
dimmer work in a 1900 watt system?
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