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 21 
 on: May 05, 2022, 04:04:40 PM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by Brian H
Universal Devices had their own serial PLM designed maybe 10 years ago. With the needed programmed chips promised by Smartlabs. After getting to the prototype stage ready for for engineering stage. They abruptly changed their minds. Leaving them with the cost. I believe of 10 prototypes.
Now that they are gone and a creditor company for the remaining assets and intelligent property is controlling the way thing are going to happen. With a September 18 2022 cutoff date. I don't think anyone is going to be making any Insteon devices including the PLM any time soon.
I know UDI has expressed interest in maybe at least a run of PLM modules to help the ISY994i members.

Too bad we didn't have a crystal ball. Smartenit was clearing out excess bare, serial and USB PLM on Ebay awhile back.

When PogoPro the manufacturer of the P2 just dropped the server storage service and modules.

Ebay was full of surplus P2 devices. The vendors just forgot to tell you they where almost useless. Unless you found a way how to to reprogram them.

 22 
 on: May 05, 2022, 10:18:05 AM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by JeffVolp
Earlier this evening I sent a message to Smartenit asking whether the P2 is just "out of stock" or discontinued.  I got a quick response:

"We might be getting a small batch within 4 weeks and then it will be gone for good.  The issue then becomes availability of the PLM. Either way, because the few PLMs out there are now so expensive, the P2 will be a lot more."

As you know, I'm working to address the PLM issue for X10 users.  But that reply indicates they are not going to produce their own PLM.

Jeff

 23 
 on: May 05, 2022, 12:16:10 AM 
Started by adrian_tracy@yahoo.com - Last post by brobin
FYI, Smartenit may be getting a small batch of P2's back in stock in a few weeks and then it will be gone forever leaving just the G2.  While the G2 has better specs than the P2, it makes no difference for X10 use.

 24 
 on: May 05, 2022, 12:11:22 AM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by brobin
Earlier this evening I sent a message to Smartenit asking whether the P2 is just "out of stock" or discontinued.  I got a quick response:

"We might be getting a small batch within 4 weeks and then it will be gone for good.  The issue then becomes availability of the PLM. Either way, because the few PLMs out there are now so expensive, the P2 will be a lot more."

Maybe not so bad for those who have a PLM already.  I don't know if they're taking backorders but might be worth a call.

 25 
 on: May 04, 2022, 09:48:28 PM 
Started by adrian_tracy@yahoo.com - Last post by Goouch
I have the WM100 & it worked for years without any issues until a few months ago. I then also looked into the Smartenit Harmony P2 with the bundled Insteon 2412UPLM. But I got busy with this and that coming out of Covid & ended up dragging my feet my feet & was going to get around to it. Last week I decided to make the purchase only to find out it is now sold out. The web site instructs you to purchase the new Multi-Protocol Gateway/Hub 4-Core. One issue... for that device to work with X10 you're now spending almost $200, so on to dragging my feet again.

Anyway on to why I'm writing this. Just as I was about to take the plunge this week & purchase the Multi-Protocol Gateway/Hub 4-Core.. I accidentally discovered the problem we've been experiencing is not with the WM100, but with our phones software! I have been using an old Samsung S7 Active. As a restorations professional I always drop my phones, and the Samsung Active series are just what I need (Too bad they stopped at the S8 Active) but it's been dropped one too may times & I needed a quick phone fix. I had an old Apple S6 Plus in pieces that I had laying around & wanted to fix it one day to see what the Apple hub-bub is all about (yes I like old stuff, that's why I still use X10 :) but I never had time to put back together, but desperate times called for desperate measures. So I put it back together pronto, did a fresh OS install & as I was installing all my old Apps.. I decided for some reason to install the X10 App as I was trying to do what I thought was a fresh setup on the iphone it warned me that these devices were already assigned. "CRAP!" I said to my self... "This WM100  is a P.O.S!!" anyway I was giving up & as I backed out of the set up Vah-lah!! Not only does it work,  it was all there, EVERYTHING! With the names of everything just as I originally set it up on my old phone.

So in my conclusion I discovered it's something corrupted within our phones. I suggest backing up your phone, then wiping the phone & then reinstalling everything and it should be good to go. Or grab another phone in the house that did not have the app on it install the app & see if it works.

Good Luck

 26 
 on: May 04, 2022, 08:24:26 PM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by JeffVolp
There may be more info in this document (different from the PLM doc): http://cache.insteon.com/pdf/INSTEON_Developers_Guide_20070816a.pdf

There is a LOT more in there on Insteon, but the X10 section is the same - basically just transmit and receive.

The Harmony might use Insteon commands to establish communication.  There are messages to get version, reset, etc. that might be used by the Harmony to determine if the IM is connected.    Monitoring interaction with a Harmony is probably the only way to determine what is needed.

When HomeControlAssistant connects to a CM11A, it reports its firmware version as part of the status request message.  The XTB-232 supports the CM11A status request, and it is probably how HCA determines a CM11A (or XTB-232) is connected.

Jeff

 27 
 on: May 04, 2022, 06:31:52 PM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by JeffVolp
Actually the PLM is supposed to receive the command and sent the message back to the sender. With an ACK if it was OK or a NAK on the end of the command for a sort of a handshake.

Yes, that is true on transmission.  But the ACK or NAK echo can only be issued if the command is received.  The CM11A handshaking lets the computer know when it can accept data.  That is not true with the SmartHome protocol.  An incoming burst of data may happen anytime.  There are routines that cannot be interrupted, and I have to make sure the serial port buffer will not be overrun or the command could be corrupted.

Perhaps the Harmony would re-issue the command if it does not receive the echo back within a second or so?

There is no conformation on receiving an X10 command that the computer actually accepted the command.

Jeff

 28 
 on: May 04, 2022, 04:22:41 PM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by brobin
There may be more info in this document (different from the PLM doc): http://cache.insteon.com/pdf/INSTEON_Developers_Guide_20070816a.pdf

 29 
 on: May 04, 2022, 04:17:27 PM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by Brian H
Actually the PLM is supposed to receive the command and sent the message back to the sender. With an ACK if it was OK or a NAK on the end of the command for a sort of a handshake.

 30 
 on: May 04, 2022, 04:07:46 PM 
Started by Brian H - Last post by brobin
I'll see what I can do on that.

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