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john kovacs

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X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« on: December 09, 2004, 06:50:19 PM »

Has anybody successfully found and connected
an X10 compatible smoke alarm and/or CO that
trips the DS7000 Protector Plus Voice Dialer
security system. No company I've tried to
contact has been able to offer me a solution
to this. Anybody?
Thanks,
John.
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Brian H

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 07:31:12 PM »

If someone made a detector with a dry switch
type output. That is opened when triggered
you could wire it in place of the magnetic
switch normally on a window module.
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john kovacs

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2004, 12:01:10 PM »

Thanks for you comments Brian,
As a follow up, I've managed to find an X10
security wireless sonic sensor (product
#7342)from Smart Home and will try that.
Apparently it's discontinued but will
receive an smoke alarm signal within 10 feet
from sensor and trip the X10 voice dialer. I
spoke with the Canadian manufacturer in
Saskatchewan and they assure me it was a
popular unit that works well for x10 systems.
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stefan

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2005, 11:07:14 PM »

Hi John,

What are you findings of this smoke detector
? Is it worth the investment ? Why the
discontinuation ? Did you came accross any
other sulutions ?

Thanks

Stefan
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john kovacs

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2005, 02:41:41 PM »

Hi Stefan, I've only just installed the sensor this
week end and will be testing and will get back to
you when I've got it all working, to let you know
what  I find about the sonic sensor.
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Kenneth Herring

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2005, 10:45:07 AM »

That's an interesting product. I wonder why
they discontinued it? That way would make it
much easier to use smoke and CO alarms with
X-10. A possible hack, as someone mentioned,
is to tap into the wires going to peizo
buzzer. Now, the thing is I'm thinking you
might have to hook-in a small relay that
will be activated by this voltage, which
will, in turn, be used to close the contacts
to an X-10 door/window sensor to set-off the
alarm. You don't want to disconnect the
piezo, naturally, because you need to be
able to hear it screaming when you press '0'
so you'll know it's a smoke detector going
off.
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jason janes

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2005, 05:13:56 PM »

Has anyone tried the GB10A glass break
sensor for this purpose?  I have one and I
am going to try it but I am not sure if it
has already be done.  Any thoughts.

http://www.x10.com/security/x10_gb10a.htm
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jason janes

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2005, 05:56:00 PM »

I just tried the GB10A glass break sensor
and it does the trick just great.  Thanks
for pointing out the sonic sensor stuff.  I
have been trying to solve this problem for
awhile and now it is done.
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dick

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 09:54:33 AM »

Is that the detector from X10?  I was under
the wrong impression that it detected the
vibration of the breaking glass.  Please
respond.
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jason janes

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2005, 04:49:50 PM »

It is indeed the detector from x10.  I
positioned it so that the buzzer from the
smoke alarm lined up with the sensor on the
glass break sensor.  I tested it numerous
times and it appears to be working great.
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dick

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2005, 05:22:26 PM »

Jason,  I am sorry, I do not understand
your answer.  Are you saying that when the
smoke detector is activated it in turn sets
off the glass breakage detector?  The glass
breakage detectors that I have do not
appear to have any sensor of any kind.
They are just a white box that is double
taped to the window that detects the
vibration of the breaking glass.  Could the
smoke detector be vibrating your detector?
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jason janes

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2005, 07:55:31 PM »

That is correct.  I have mounted the glass
break detector to the smoke detector.  On
the underside of the glass break detector
that I have is a small hole which I am
assuming leads directly to the sensor.  I
have placed the glass break sensor over the
buzzer on the smoke detector so that the
small hole in the glass break sensor is
directly over the buzzer.  It is very
possible that it is the vibration that is
setting of the glass break sensor.
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warren thomas

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 07:30:46 PM »

I  wanted to use it in our church to
monitor  for fire and smoke.  I used three
high-end Kidde dual-sensor smoke detectors
and three plain old X-10 door/window
modules.  An NPN Switching transistor and a
9v relay, all of which fit  neatly inside
the roomy housing of the smoke detectors,
and made for a perfect  interface.  The
Transistor takes the tiny current that runs
the piezo, and uses that to activate the
9volt relay.  Once the relay responds in the
stead of the piezo, you can route it to the
pigtail of the X-10 Door/Window module. Just
for safety against false  alarms resulting
from the chirp (which  accompanies a low
smoke alarm battery), I put  10 year
lithiums in the smoke alarm and  regular
alkalines in the door/window  modules.  This
way, the lithium always  outlasts the
alkaline, and there can never  be an
accidental trigger from a low-
battery "chirp" from the smoke alarm.
Yearly battery changes should keep this
system well in  check.  Now, you can buy one
of those smoke alarms with a DC light built
right in, but those models are only single-
sensor.  They aren't good for sensing
ignition products like a dual sensor.  They
would obviously be easier to fit with a
relay.  I personally wanted to nix the built-
in piezo in the smoke alarms, because they
are mounted about 35 feet above the church
congregation.  An accidental trigger from a
smoky candle or incense burner could set it
off, and I wouldn't want it to ruin the
whole church service. All in all, it really
would be easier of X-10 would just make this
unit for sale.  
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dave

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Re: X-10 compatible smoke/CO alarms
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2005, 12:14:14 AM »

I have interconected smoke alarms, meaning
they are 120volt 3 wire between all units and
9 volt battery backup, so one goes off they
all go off. How can I monitor these with the
ss5400 aka x10pro2000 alarm system?
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