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Starbuck

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Relay unit false triggers
« on: April 13, 2008, 06:00:33 PM »

I am running a lamp with some of those candle flickering bulbs.
I am using a relay pack to switch them on & off.
The unit is on the output of a GFCI ( the lamp is outdoors)

I programmed the unit to A3.  It turns on fine, but when
you turn it off, it cycles back on shortly afterwards.

I have checked to see if there is another person transmitting the same code & so far I
do not see that happening.  ( U set another module somewhere else in the house to the same code.
It stays off.

What would cause the module to false trigger?

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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 06:43:39 PM »

Are these LED lights?

If so, a search of the forum will give you more information than I can even begin to summarize here.
The easiest solution is to plug in a small 4-7 watt night light in with the LED lights.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2008, 06:47:12 PM by steven r »
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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 06:54:16 PM »

It is probably caused by the "Local Control" feature in the Appliance Module (if that is what you a calling a "relay pack"). Search the forum for "local control". A 7 watt night light in the same outlet as the flicker bulb, is one solution. Other solutions include hacking the Appliance Module to disable the "Local Control" feature. (The search will turn up plenty of information) .
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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 06:56:09 PM »

Also do an Advance Search for GFCI and GFIs these have also give users problems!
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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 08:09:49 PM »

Not sure why a 7W lamp would help, the 3 flicker lamps are 9W total.

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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 08:46:59 PM »

Not sure why a 7W lamp would help, the 3 flicker lamps are 9W total.
Are your lights LED?
If so, a simple regular night light, a non LED one, will  solve the problem in most cases. Otherwise you'll need to search the forum for instructions as to how modify the module as Dave suggested.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2008, 08:52:25 PM by steven r »
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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 08:53:11 PM »

Not sure why a 7W lamp would help, the 3 flicker lamps are 9W total.


We really need to know exactly what kind of bulbs you're using.  Steven r asked if they were LEDs.  That's one possibility.  My question would be, are they neons with the fancy shaped "filaments"?  In any case please tell us.  Both these types of bulbs, particularly the neon's have residual behavior, after they've been on, to turn the appliance module back on when you turn it off.  

If you don't like the idea of a night light you can use a resistor.  Check out this post:

http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=14210.msg78893#msg78893
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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 06:47:45 AM »

A standard 7 Watt incandescent bulb or Oldtimers resistor will stop the Local Sensing circuit from turning back on the module. It sure sounds like you have LED or neon type bulbs. So as others have asked. What type of bulbs ate these?
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Re: Relay unit false triggers
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2008, 04:40:44 PM »

Not sure why a 7W lamp would help, the 3 flicker lamps are 9W total.



Didn't do the "Local Control" search did you?
The night light acts as a shunt so the Local Control feature in the Appliance Module does not see whatever in your flicker bulbs is making the Appliance Module think you want the lamp/appliance turned back ON. Sometimes a 4 watt night light will work fine and sometimes it will not. The 7 watt night light bulb usually always work.
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