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Author Topic: Documentation - Where is it?  (Read 3274 times)

eeax10

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Documentation - Where is it?
« on: November 14, 2010, 10:06:43 PM »

I just received my basic Active Home Pro system and have ordered additional modules but find the owner's manual to be totally inadequate.  It contains a couple of simple examples but does not describe overall concepts.  In addition, these forums indicate a level of complexity of the product that far exceeds the minimal documentation.  I also find the software tech support to be polite but unhelpful.

Where does one find this information in an organized format?  As a simple example, there is a check box in macros that allegedly determines if the macro will be activated from the PC or from the controller.  What happens to timers?  I can't find out from the manual.  Do they always run from the PC, from the controller or what?  If there isn't a systematic way to learn how to implement a system all the stuff I ordered is going back into the box for a refund?

BTW - I am not a computer novice.  I have decades of professional experience in programming in several different languages and have managed software procurements and implementations and programmed real time controllers but find this product to be totally frustrating.
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Re: Documentation - Where is it?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2010, 10:37:12 PM »

............. I have decades of professional experience in programming in several different languages and have managed software procurements and implementations and programmed real time controllers but find this product to be totally frustrating.

Theres your problem.

Programmers seem to have the most difficulty with the X10 software. The expectation of some actual programing skills being required... is what throws many. The AHP software... just isn't that complex... for some it is almost too simple and easy. I am sure it was designed and created with the non-skilled user in mind. I think just knowing this.... will allow you to make the simple choices within the software.

However... users of AHP and the CM15A interface have found ways to use the product that X10 never imagined. It really an awesome.

This forum is a community forum. It is ran but volunteers. We aren't X10 employees and if you wish to send back your purchase... it's your loss. Your purchases and returns have no effect on me. However.... if its information and help you want this forum is the place to look.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2010, 10:34:13 AM by Dave_x10_L »
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Re: Documentation - Where is it?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 12:27:50 AM »

Where does one find this information in an organized format? 
Unfortunately there is no solid organizational manual. Best you'll come across is the help file in the program itself, and the Knowledge Base Wiki http://kbase.x10.com for info.

As a simple example, there is a check box in macros that allegedly determines if the macro will be activated from the PC or from the controller.
Yes there is. This question has two answers though:
Do you have a CM19A (http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/CM19A),
or do you have a CM15A? (http://graphics.x10.com/images_ahp//cm15a_c.gif)

The CM19A has no memory of it's own, and is designed to run Macros and Timers with the PC on.
The CM15A has on-board memory, and thus can store Macros and Timers to run without having the PC on.

As for setting up Macros, there's a pair of radio buttons that let you choose between "Store in Interface" or "Run from PC". Obviously Run from PC is as the name implies, and Store in Interface means that when you go to "Tools" -> "Download Timers and Macros", it will save it to the CM15A for later execution.  

What happens to timers?  I can't find out from the manual.  Do they always run from the PC, from the controller or what?
Timers will always run from the interface if possible. If it's the CM19A, it automatically runs from the computer. ActiveHome Pro installs an X10 Service into Windows to ensure they get executed on time if that's the case.

Now to go back a bit:
In addition, these forums indicate a level of complexity of the product that far exceeds the minimal documentation.
It's all about finding a creative use for the sensors, macros, and timers. I'll give you an example: If you had the SS13A Slimline Stick-A-Switch, you would know it's an On/Off set of switches for three consecutive Unit Codes. Ie. If I program the first switch as, say, B1 - the second switch is B2, then the third is B3, and finally, a Bright/Dim control. If I made macros in AHP (ActiveHome Pro), I could actually "re-map" the buttons by making B1 a trigger for D6, B2 as E9, etc. It's experimentation. I personally spent about a month reading and re-reading in advance so I would understand what was possible. I know that doesn't work for everyone, which is why we volunteer to help :)


And as far as what Dave said, I agree. Don't over think it. It's made for things to be drag and drop easy. What you're mainly doing is turning things On/Off in a creative fashion. Instead of having individual timers and remotes for every module, you have a centralized interface to run all of that with. It can be very powerful, you just need to decide what you'd like to have controlled.

I'm a big fan of sitting down with a piece of paper, going through your house, then listing all the things you'd like for your system to do; if you'd like a certain light to come on when you walk into a room, if you'd like all the lights to turn off at a certain time, etc.
When you expand into Security Modules and OnAlert is also a whole other level of interesting. Start with the basics first though.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2010, 12:29:59 AM by anthonylavado »
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Re: Documentation - Where is it?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 11:27:56 PM »

Here's another new guy just kicking in some info - hope this helps.

1)  ORGANIZE YOUR SELF.  Break your "buckets" of devices into organized form - use a spreadsheet if necessary.  Here's how I have mine laid out:
 House Codes:
   B - Everything in the basement
   C & D - First floor lighting (all mine are wall switches, not lamp modules)
   E & F - First floor other (wall outlets, lamp modules, ceiling fans, etc)
   G - Second floor lights
   H - Second floor other
   i - Exterior
   J - Motion sensors (I gave them their own house code, since they each need 2 unit codes)
   K & L - Macros
   P - I use a bunch of SS13 remote switches, so I have a House code for them.  Unit codes 1-4 go to the first, 5-8 the second and so forth.  This lets me program macros on a per-switch and per-button basis)
2) BE CREATIVE.  I am using SR227 wall outlets, but who wants to replace a wall outlet and THEN find out that the signal is weak?  NOT ME.  So I took one of the 10,000 computer power chords I had around, cut off the PC end, and spliced in a SR227.  This way I can do two things with it.  First, I can plug it into an outlet, and I will know to a fair degree in advance how the signal will be and second, I can use it to test devices before they get installed.  Poor man's signal tester and poor man's device tester :)
3) You will probably need a coupler/repeater.  This was a big pain in the tail lesson for me, although it makes sense after the fact, no one tells you in advance until after there is a problem.
4) Don't get discouraged.  Google (and this site) are your friends.  I have learned an incredible amount in a very short time, just by reading and reading and reading :)

Bob
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