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kent

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Very simple--lights don't work
« on: December 01, 2005, 06:15:13 PM »

I've used X10 for years, suffered the
periodic meltdowns. I've never learned how to
do anything fancy--just want to turn my
carriage lamps on/off, and my XMas lights.
The carriage lamps work fine, but I have
about 6 lamp or appliance modules to operate
my christmas lights, a simple on/off program,
but only some of the modules turn on or off
as programmed. If I use the remote, they all
turn on. If I throw the virtual switch on the
computer monitor, they all turn on & off, but
they don't work with the ActiveHome Pro
program. I happen to have 2 of the receivers
(A1 module with antenna) and I've tried using
one or both (thinking I could catch both legs
of the AC) but it makes no difference. HELP!
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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2005, 06:44:56 PM »

My first thought in a case like this is to
make sure that the modules that aren't
turning on from timers stored in the
interface are defined correctly in the
program. If you are controlling an appliance
module but it's defined as a lamp in AHP, the
timer will send a dim command that the
appliance module won't respond to.
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kent

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2005, 11:05:53 PM »

Thanks for the tip--I didn't know that. Will
check all the modules tomorrow and add
aseparate on/off for the ones that are
appliance mods.
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roger1818

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2005, 03:50:19 PM »

Kent, you don't need to ad a separate on/off.
The problem is AHP won't send an On command
to a module defined as a lamp module.  This
is fine for lamp modules, but Appliance
modules don't respond to bright/dim commands.
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kent

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 04:53:56 PM »

OK--now I'm more confused. My lamp mods are
A3 and I changed the appliance mods to A4
(and added an on/off program for them).
Tonight, one appliance mod that formerly did
not work, works. Two lamp mods that formerly
did work now do not, and one appliance mod
that did not work still doesn't work! Thanks
for the help.
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kent

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2005, 11:37:02 PM »

I just re-read that last post and it sounds
sarcastic--didn't mean to be. Appreciate any
and all suggestions.
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roger1818

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2005, 01:59:24 PM »

I will ask the usual quesion about if you
have a phase coupler and if you have problem
electronic equipment plugged into noise filters.
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kent

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2005, 04:17:19 PM »

Roger--by a "phase coupler" I assume you mean
a resistor wired across the 2 legs of the AC.
Yes, I had my electrician install one when he
replaced the circuit panel 2 years ago. I
don't know what "problem" electronics are, or
what noise filters are. My computer, stereo,
TV are all on surge protectors.
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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2005, 06:29:12 PM »

Kent - you must be new to X10...Surge
protectors are very common sources of
signal absorbion, and not compatable with X-
10 signals.  You will need to plug the
surge protectors into special X10 filters.
Also, if you have a large house(2500sqf+)
you may very likely also need a repeater -
usually sold as a coupler-repeater.

Part of the problem is the CM15A appears to
transmit a weaker signal than other
devices, so what worked for you prior to
CM11A, or other controller, might not work
now.
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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2005, 06:31:45 PM »

However, if all works fine via the CM15A
when correctly on teh PC, and the CM15A is
in the same outlet as when running
independently, you can probably ignore my
last message.  Cause may be the general
lack of robustness / unreliability that
many users have found with the CM15A...
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kent

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2005, 07:19:02 PM »

arf--no, not new to X-10. I've been using
it at least 10 years and am on my 3rd
interface, but I'm really pretty confused
by the AH Pro software. All I want to do is
turn on & off.
I was afraid the "surge suppressor"
reference would send up a red flag. I was
responding to Roger's comment
about "problem" electronics. I know you
can't plug an X-10 device into a surge
suppressor, and my XMas lights are not on
surge strips. Or are you saying I need
filters on the devices that are not X-10
controlled?
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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2005, 07:23:58 PM »

surge supressors themselves suck signals,
so the surge supressor itself might need to
be plugged into a filter...
However, if everything works fine with the
CM15A connected to PC, and using the PC to
control lights AND this is the same outlet
you normally would use a stand alone CM15A
in, then interfence / filters, etc is NOT
the problem.
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roger1818

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2005, 10:28:45 AM »

Kent:  I am assuming the electrician wired a
capacitor across the 2 legs of the AC and not
a resistor.  A resister would not effectively
couple the X10 signal and would get hot and
waste electricity.  If you are interested I
wrote a tutorial on phase coupling at:
http://www.x10.webhop.org/Phase_Coupling.htm

Surge suppressors on their own do not cause
problems with X10 signals; it is the
noise-trap that better quality surge
suppressors have that cause problems.  I
agree with Arf and you don’t have to have the
module or controller plugged into the surge
suppressor for it to cause problems.
Plugging it into an X10 noise filter will
stop the noise trap from sucking up the X10
signal on the powerline.

Also, devices that have switching
powersupplys can cause problems (either
powerline noise or signal absorption).
Computers, televisions and fluorescent lights
often have switching powersupplys and more
and more other devices are using them instead
of traditional transformers to save
electricity.  You can track down the problem
by unplugging (not just turning off) devices
that might cause problems.

I wrote a tutorial on Powerline Noise and
Noise Filters at:
http://www.x10.webhop.org/Powerline_Noise_and_Noise_Filters.htm
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kent

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Re: Very simple--lights don't work
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2005, 12:25:59 PM »

Thanks Roger--yes it was a cap. As I said,
I'm not too technically savvy. I'll check
out the tutorials. In the meantime...things
seem to be OK. I moved one of my 2 "A-1"
receivers and maybe that helped, but the
lights seem to be going on & off as
scheduled. Thanks for all the advice. I'll
look into those filters anyway.
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