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[marineau]

Hi,

I have a ws467 to feed 3 incandescent bulbs 40 Watts !

When Turn On , with MiniController, or CM11A, or CM15A, it refuse to turn ON these 3 incandescent bulbs
When Turn OFF , with MiniController, or CM11A, or CM15A, it  accept to turn OFF these 3 incandescent bulbs
When Turn On with his own button it accept to turn ON these 3 incandescent bulbs
When Turn Off with his own button it accept to turn Off these 3 incandescent bulbs

Now if I unscrew 2 bulbs , So Just 1 incandescent bulbs :
When Turn On , with MiniController, or CM11A, or CM15A, it accept to turn ON this  3 incandescent bulbs
When Turn OFF , with MiniController, or CM11A, or CM15A, it accept to turn OFF these 3 incandescent bulbs
When Turn On with his own button it accept to turn ON these 3 incandescent bulbs
When Turn Off with his own button it accept to turn Off these 3 incandescent bulbs

My questions are:

- why with any remote control my ws467cannot turn ON these 3 lamps, and I can for once incandescent bulb ?
- why locally ws467 can can turn ON these 3 incandescent bulbs ?

I tried with 3 incandescent bulbs 100 Watts, same problem !
I tried with 3 incandescent bulbs 25 Watts, same problem !
I tried with another WS467 and same problem !

With others words, WS467 (in remote) work fine with 1 incandescent bulb , but not with 2 or 3 incandescent bulbs !

I tried to install resistor 10K between pin9 and pin18 on chip 78566, same problem .
Does you know a solution for this problem ?

[-Bill- (of wgjohns.com)]

Wow!

I'm stumped.   

Why would it work with one bulb and not three?   

[Boiler]

marineau,

Like Bill, I'm having problems coming up with a reason why a small resistive load (i.e. high resistance) would function where a heavier load will not.

Is it possible that you are having problems with a particular bulb fixture rather than the number of bulbs?  Try moving your single bulb to different fixture to see if there is a difference.

What type of circuit and fixtures are you using (overhead can - flood, 3-way, etc). 

This is reaching, but I have seen installations where a given fixture will tie into a neutral from a separate branch circuit.  If this were the case, and you had a noise generator on the other branch, you could have problems communicating with the WS467.  Lot's of ifs and maybe's - like I said, I'm reaching.

Boiler

[marineau]

Boiler,

I tried with other bulb, and same problem !
Maybe a total resistive can do a difference...
I will try to disconnect a ws467 and interchange a Bue Wire with Black wire...
Maybe a polarity can do a difference !

Thanks

[Boiler]

...I tried with other bulb, and same problem !
Maybe a total resistive can do a difference...
I will try to disconnect a ws467 and interchange a Bue Wire with Black wire...
Maybe a polarity can do a difference !

I'm not at all sure what swapping the Black (line Input) and the Blue (controlled output) will do.  Best case is it will screw up the phasing of the switch.  Worst case, IT WILL MELT DOWN.  Don't try this unless you've analyzed the schematic and understand exactly what reverse biasing the circuity will do.

[marineau]

I tried to swap two wires, and same problem !

I suspect impedance (ohm) of each lamp connected in parallelle.

I tried with one bulb 100Watts only, and ON command work fine...
if I add one or two others 60watt bulbs... refuse to work for ON command
If I use 3 bulbs 60Watts ... don't work for ON command

I anyone have others ideas... you are welcome !

[marineau]

Does add a neutral wire could resolv my problem ?

Does anyone have a MOD (with photo) to add a NeutralWire to WS467 ?
I don't understant an IDoBartana MOD, photo and detail are missing !

If I have to buy another model switch to sesolve my problem !

Does  I have to buy XPD3 or WS12A
 or XPDI3, XPS3 (with neutral wire)

Thanks

[Boiler]

Sorry, I have never seen this problem.

Again -

• Try moving your single bulb to a different fixture to see if there is a difference.
• What type of circuit and fixtures are you using (overhead can - flood, 3-way, etc). 
• What is the date code of your WS467 (small round sticker on the unit)?

The XPD3 and the WS12a should be load insensitive since they use a neutral wire connection (but then you already know this).  I can't say that they will work because I do not understand your problem.

Here's a different link to schematics for the WS467: Tom's Home Automation.  I have not tried the mods listed on this site.

[Brian H]

Do you have any idea how the lights are wired? Most of mine are the line and neutral are in the fixtures box and a switch loop is then to the switch. Meaning the hot line in the fixture goes to one of the wires to the switch and then the other from the switch goes to the lights line input. I have never seen this, but if the fixtures where wired differently; like the hot was directly on the lights and the switch was on the neutral side. I have no idea what strangeness could happen.

[marineau]

I have this problem since one week, I didn't add any aquipment in my house since this time and didn't change anythings.

Here my setting in this picture:


Thanks

[billy]

Did this problem start 1 week ago, after one of the lamps burned out?
I've had WS467 switches act up like this, had to replace the switch.
The triac inside was damaged by the current spike when the bulb blew.

[marineau]

Did this problem start 1 week ago, after one of the lamps burned out?
I've had WS467 switches act up like this, had to replace the switch.
The triac inside was damaged by the current spike when the bulb blew.

I just noticed that this morning it worked fine while few hours...
And while that writing you, it don't working with 3 lamps !
But if Triac would be damagged, it would be permantly.
I'm asking if a problem Comes from a neighbor ?
Does you know if noise can come from neighbor ?
 

[Brian H]

Do you know if the neighbor is close enough so that you both share a powerline transformer on the street?

[marineau]

Do you know if the neighbor is close enough so that you both share a powerline transformer on the street?

Yes, we are 9 houses on same transformer ...
maybe that I have a neighbor with a old motor running and send noise on powerline...
and when I use one bulb a X10 Signal can pass by this BULB, but with 3 Bulbs can't !
Note that I have many LampModul (LMxx) and all work fine !

[marineau]

Sorry, I have never seen this problem.
Again -

• What is the date code of your WS467 (small round sticker on the unit)?

A date code is: 06h35