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Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« on: April 18, 2009, 11:42:17 AM »

My understanding of the CM15A was that it would work fine on its own..say you decided to unplug the usb, or keep your compouter off etc...

I noticed that when i reformatted my computer (so no AHP installd..but i did not uninstall it;  just went straight to formatting)..the CM15A became useless. My remote would not control any of my modules or macros.

Why is that? I would have thought it would just remember the macros & modules uploaded to it even if AHp was not present.

Also, does AHP notify you if the batteries in the CM15A is low? Or, is there a way to check battery status in AHP?

Thanks!
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2009, 01:56:51 PM »

My understanding of the CM15A was that it would work fine on its own..say you decided to unplug the usb, or keep your compouter off etc...

I noticed that when i reformatted my computer (so no AHP installd..but i did not uninstall it;  just went straight to formatting)..the CM15A became useless. My remote would not control any of my modules or macros.

Why is that? I would have thought it would just remember the macros & modules uploaded to it even if AHp was not present.

Also, does AHP notify you if the batteries in the CM15A is low? Or, is there a way to check battery status in AHP?

Thanks!

tsttm,
"My understanding of the CM15A was that it would work fine on its own..say you decided to unplug the usb, or keep your compouter off etc..."

Well that is true as long as you make sure to store your macros and timers in the CM15A interface and you do not have commands in your macros that require the PC to function. Some macro commands automatically choose the radio button that says "Must be run from PC."

"I noticed that when i reformatted my computer (so no AHP installd..but i did not uninstall it;  just went straight to formatting)..the CM15A became useless. My remote would not control any of my modules or macros."

When you reformat the hard drive you loose all programs and data on that drive. If you had macros that need the PC to run they will not work until you reinstall the software and reset up every thing the way you had it prior to reformatting the computer. What kind of remote do you have and what kind of modules and macros did you have that will no longer work?

"Also, does AHP notify you if the batteries in the CM15A is low? Or, is there a way to check battery status in AHP?"

Yes there is a low battery notification and you can check the status by going to menu selecting Tools, Configuration, this is where you choose your time zone and on the right side of the screen you will see battery status.


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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 05:21:51 AM »

A more thorogh answer is, The AHP will not notify you automatically by sending you some message.  You have to check it.  The battery can be so low that the CMA15 doesn't even work and you're wondering what is wrong, at which time you have to reset it by replacing the batteries while still plugged into the wall.  I have had this stuff for years and This APH software is not the most stable software. :)
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 10:34:30 AM »

thanks, well i didn't think my macros were 'run from pc' but i'd have to check. Although, it seems like i can't even turn modules on & off directly with my remote..which seemed strange to me (& yes, i didn't store directly on the cm15a).

I thought maybe it was a battery issue..but the batteries are only there for backup right? (if power goes out)..i mean it shouldn't be an issue if it's still plugged in & i haven't lost power.

Remote i'm using is the learnable universal remote.

So for AHP battery notification, it's more something you have to go into to find (it won't pop up some notification to let you know) right?

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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 10:46:10 AM »

thanks, well i didn't think my macros were 'run from pc' but i'd have to check. Although, it seems like i can't even turn modules on & off directly with my remote..which seemed strange to me (& yes, i didn't store directly on the cm15a).

I thought maybe it was a battery issue..but the batteries are only there for backup right? (if power goes out)..i mean it shouldn't be an issue if it's still plugged in & i haven't lost power.

Remote i'm using is the learnable universal remote.

So for AHP battery notification, it's more something you have to go into to find (it won't pop up some notification to let you know) right?

thanks.

That's one of the things X10 should have been included in AHP, but.........    It doesn't tell you about battery status unless you are in AHP and remember to go into Hardware Configuration and check it. 
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 11:20:22 AM »

My understanding of the CM15A was that it would work fine on its own..say you decided to unplug the usb...
As others have indicated, all of the stored CM15A programming will work independent of a computer.

You do need the computer connected to store video and send email alerts.

Also there's the DST issue. The CM15A firmware has the old DST time change dates. (At lease in the US version) The CM15A must be connected to the computer at least 4 times a year for it to get the correct times from the computer.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2009, 11:22:06 AM by steven r »
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 11:23:04 AM »

ok thanks. normally i will keep it attached at all times...i just found it strange that after i formatted my computer & AHP was no longer installed, that i could not trigger any of my macros or modules.

Now, i did back up my AHP data file, but now my backup drive is having issues. Is there any way to upload the info on the cm15a into AHP so i don't have to recreate my macros etc?
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 11:48:57 AM »

...Is there any way to upload the info on the cm15a into AHP so i don't have to recreate my macros etc?
The short answer is NO. This question has been asked before and you can find out more on why by searching the forum.

The quick reason is that the CM15A does not store all the information that is in the ahx file for AHP. i.e. While you may tell AHP to turn on the living room light (L1) at 8:00pm. All that is stored in the CM15A is "L1 On 8:00 pm"
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 01:55:04 PM »

... The battery can be so low that the CMA15 doesn't even work and you're wondering what is wrong, at which time you have to reset it by replacing the batteries while still plugged into the wall.  ....

The CM15A of which you speak must be different than the three which I own.  The only reset that I know of involves UNPLUGGING it and pulling the batteries.  I've never heard of replacing the batteries whilst retaining the 120v source.

I have at times let these things run for months on end with NO BATTERIES whatsoever, and have had no problems short of having the memory dumped in a power outage.
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2009, 12:42:06 PM »

must be my batteries died & somehow cm15a lost power so it got erased.

On a slightly off topic question- is there a way to overide daylight savings for a particular module/macro timer? So i want my computer & all the other macro/module timers to follow daylight savings..but i have one timer i want to maintain the same absolute time- ie at 8pm & when daylight savings changes, it will continue to fire at the same time (or 9pm now)
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2009, 04:40:08 PM »

...is there a way to overide daylight savings for a particular module/macro timer? So i want my computer & all the other macro/module timers to follow daylight savings..but i have one timer i want to maintain the same absolute time- ie at 8pm & when daylight savings changes, it will continue to fire at the same time (or 9pm now)
I'm not sure why you would want to do that unless needed to be in sync with GMT for something related to astronomy or something. There is no way to test for DST status in AHP. That said it does present a new and interesting programming challenge. I'd set up your macro with an else that tests for a flag. You'd still have to set the flag manually.

Hmm... I don't have access to my AHP right now but I think it might be possible to set a flag based on a time date/time range that could then be used to indicate DST. It would be a little tricky as the date of the month changes each year. You would need to test for the date range of March 8-14 and only execute on Sun. i.e. Have a macro timer execute every Sun at 2:00am for the dates March 8-14 and set a flag to use for DST. Likewise you would need execute a macro for every Sun at 2:00am for the dates November 1-7 and clear the flag.

I don't have a way to test the above right now but think it could work. Might have to tweak it to test at 1:59am depending on whether AHP makes a test before changing 2->3 or 2->1. I figure being off a minute won't matter, right?

Of course this all ties back to your original question. i.e. For this to work, you would need the CM15A connected to you computer.
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2009, 05:21:02 PM »

Thanks Steven.

I feel bad that i made you put that much energy into answering my question. That's sounds way to complicated to alleviate my laziness.

the only reason i asked is because i have a fish light on a timer to coincide with the automatic feeder that feeds them twice a day. The problem is there's no reason to adjust the feeder as daylight savings changes..whether they feed at 8pm or 9pm is not important.

But, i recently realized that the light timer i created was off an hour for the last 6 months.

Anyway, the simple solution is just to remember & move the light timer forward or backwards in the future. I was just hoping there was a check box option to 'ignore' daylight savings changes on a specific module timer.

This might be a suggestion i can submit to x10. It should be a simple things to do.
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2009, 05:32:28 PM »

I believe that Dan Lawrence uses multiple AHX files at different times of the year for just that same reason.
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2009, 05:50:59 PM »

...I feel bad that i made you put that much energy into answering my question....
It really wasn't any problem. It's so rare to get a new problem here. I enjoyed firing the brain cells. It makes up for the cells that went dormant watching that "movie" I saw on the Scifi channel. Also I use to do something along the same lines in the old days of DOS.

...i have a fish light on a timer to coincide with the automatic feeder that feeds them twice a day...
I'm guessing the fish light is on a mechanical time and not X10? Why not put it under X10 control also and it will stay in sync with feeder. i.e. If both the light and feeder are under control from AHP then they'll remain in sync even with the time change.
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Re: Doesnt the CM15A run independent from the computer?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2009, 05:56:12 PM »

I believe that Dan Lawrence uses multiple AHX files at different times of the year for just that same reason.
I was going under the assumption that he wanted to keep to 1 automated ahx file but having 2 files would work.

For myself it works best to use just one file year round. That way if I tweak or add something to the core programming I don't have to do it for more than one file.
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