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thelonederanger

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Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« on: April 21, 2010, 07:02:53 AM »

First let me say Hi,
I am a brand new newbie to home automation and started with a couple of UR41 remotes 3 lamp modules and a transceiver (TM13).
I should say I am in australia so the TM13 is an Australian socket.

All work brilliantly and they were set up in minutes. My issue was around the constant need to find remotes so I found a CR12A on ebay that I thought would work just like the remote. I set it to house code A like all my modules but to no avail. I played around with the switch settings but I just can't get it to do anything but make the LED on the CR12A come on.

Is there anything I am missing? The manual claims it should work with light fittings and before I go back and ask for a refund I thought I would check to see if I have missed something.

Any help would be most appreciated.

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Brian H

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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 07:12:21 AM »

The CR12A uses the X10 RF frequency of 310 MHz. For use in the USA and Canada.
Your system uses the 433.92 MHz RF frequency used in countries like Australia and Europe.
The TM13 uses the 433.92 MHz. The CR12A is 310 MHz.
Not compatible.
Try for the refund.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 07:21:03 AM by Brian H »
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thelonederanger

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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 08:21:33 AM »

Many thanks for the quick and informative reply.
I will have to keep that in mind for future upgrades.

Cheers

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CR12A remote for LM15A lights
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 07:45:43 AM »

I believe I have a similar problem. I am using 3-devices for ON/OFF switching.
(1) X10 Powerhouse Remote Stick-A-Switch Remote Wall Switch = Model SS13A
(2) X10 Powerhouse Camera Control System Remote Control     = Model CR12A
(3) X10 Powerhouse Inferred Command Center                         = Model IR543

Those devices interact with
(1) X10 Powerhouse Transceiver Module                                   = Model  RR501
(2) X10 Powerhouse Remote Controlled Lamp Module                = Model LM15A

My problem however is that the CR12A is not  turning on lights (LM15A). Is the
CR12A compatible with LM15A?   B:(

FYI: All devices use channel F; The Transceiver is set to unit 1. The two lamp
modules used are set to units 2 & 3; I use the camera remote, however I do not have
any cameras; The remote's camera-group is set to 9-to-12;
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Brian H

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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 09:07:55 AM »

All of your X10 devices are US versions and are compatible.
The CR12A sends RF commands to the RR501 and it sends X10 power line signals to the other devices.
Do you have the 1-8,9-16 Unit Code switch on 1-8?
Does the CR12A turn the internal relay in the RR501 On and Off?
Does the SS13A control the LM15As?
If you move the RR501 closer to the LM15As can you then control them?
It sounds like you may have a noise, signal sucker or phase coupling issue.
Do you have any phase coupler in use?
Here are a few links to troubleshooting.
http://jvde.us/x10_troubleshooting.htm
http://www.act-remote.com/PCC/uncle.htm
http://www.davehouston.net/
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 09:09:43 AM by Brian H »
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Re: CR12A remote for LM15A lights
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 10:01:56 AM »

The two lamp
modules used are set to units 2 & 3; I use the camera remote, however I do not have
any cameras; The remote's camera-group is set to 9-to-12;
I think you need to reset the camera group to 1-4.
And, since you have no cameras...
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 12:48:50 PM by dhouston »
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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 12:45:14 PM »

Thanks for your reply Brian.

Do you have the 1-8,9-16 Unit Code switch on 1-8?
***Yes

Does the CR12A turn the internal relay in the RR501 On and Off?
***Yes

Does the SS13A control the LM15As?
***Actually, at this moment they don't. I at first assumed this a small neglectable fluke ---perhaps not. I can't seem to resolve this
***fluke either. They had worked before, turning off/on any of the devices set as default. Haven just learned to configure these
***devices, I reconfigured the LM15As and likewise verified their settings ---negative results. I have tested the SS13A while directly next to
***the LM15As ---negative results. I did the same test on default settings ---no results.

If you move the RR501 closer to the LM15As can you then control them?
***No change.

It sounds like you may have a noise, signal sucker or phase coupling issue.
***Regarding the phase coupling: I tried plugging all the devices into the same socket  group, then tried the CR12A ---negative results.

Do you have any phase coupler in use?
***Don't belive so. Don't even know what it is.

Thanks again Brian, I will check out the troubleshooting sites.
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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 02:00:08 PM »

The SS13A can't directly control the LM15A it has to send the X10 RF signal through the RR501 to where the LM15A is located.
Since the CR12A can turn the RR501 relay On and Off. We know it is sending an RF signal and the RR501 is responding. So the House Codes match.
It almost looks like the LM15As are not on the address you programmed in to them.
The House Code programmed into it. Has to match the House Code Dial on the CR12A and RR501.
There is some programming data for the LM15A in the X10 wiki that is now back on line. Though some of the graphics will not show as they where from the old X10 off line servers.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Lamp_Modules

Main page of the wiki.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Main_Page
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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 04:12:44 PM »

Can you turn the LM15A on manually (toggle the lamp's switch off and back on - that is supposed to trigger the "local control")?
If so, can you then turn the lamp OFF using either the SS13A or the CR12A?

If so, it might point to a signal/noise issue.
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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 06:58:25 PM »

The LM15A Socket Rocket doesn't have local control sensing.
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Re: Issue with CR12A-C and TM13.
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2014, 10:40:53 AM »

The LM15A Socket Rocket doesn't have local control sensing.

Oops, my bad. I don't have any Socket Rockets, so I didn't realize they didn't have that. I thought you could turn them on manually by switching the lamp off and back on.
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