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mikeeps2

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Problem about CFL noise
« on: May 07, 2013, 06:05:26 PM »

hello , my house is two floors ,  i have the controller CM15A , and with many CFL light , and two dimmer , and one PRO universal module , for control the water heater , so , the first floor working fine , but the problem is in the second floor , the bathroom and closet , dont work very well , and  i make many test

i install a capacitor in the panel breaker for couple both phase .1mf , dont working , them install a toroidal coil in the switch of bathroom and the second floor , coming work so so , but the first floor begging dont work good ....

and search in the internet a post about move all breakers what use x10 component to same phase and when test that working fine ...... so my question anyone make that option , is good that option ?

now i have on phase B , all the light what use x10 , and working very well , i hope that is the good solution

thanks mikee
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dave w

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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 06:33:50 PM »

Moving all X10 circuits to the same phase is an option, but you run the risk of unbalancing the phase A, phase B, loading. Also, moving all X10 to one phase does not eliminate problems caused by noise.

A high output repeater-coupler like the XTBIIR is another alternative, although pricy. It has an output high enough that it overcomes most noise. I only need one filter with the XTBIIR but needed four or five when using the ACT CR234 or the X10 XPCR repeaters.  How big is your system and will it get larger are questions that will make it easier to justify the cost of a good repeater.
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Brian H

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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 06:35:33 PM »

Are the CFLs on an X10 dimmer? If they are on a dimmer. Are they rated as dimmable CFLs?
The .1 uf cap is not the best coupler to use. In the earlier days it may have worked but with all the modern electronic gadgets. Yo may need a good coupler repeater.
The best one we have seen is the JV Engineering XTB-IIR.
http://jvde.us//xtb/XTB-IIR_description.htm
ACT, Leviton and X10Pro also make coupler repeaters.
You may also want to look at the troubleshooting tutorials.
http://jvde.us/x10_troubleshooting.htm
http://www.act-remote.com/PCC/uncle.htm
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 07:41:13 PM »

sorry with my english , i have many CFL , but have too one lamp module , and one switch with dimmer , for regular light , no CFL , and one PRO universal module , for control the water heater , now the system is working fine , tomorrot maybe i want to check the balance of boh phase .....

i write to that web i ask to person Jeff , and yes he say me what need put  an XTB-ANR in my  X10 phase to reduce the overall noise levels

the .1mf cap , i only is for test , that is bad option

now the system x10 is stable , i hope dont have more problems

my sistems is no too big , i think , now i have first floor , two wall switch for CFL lamp , one lamp module , one PRO universal module  , and one wall switch for dimmer lamp ...
the second floor  have only wall switch CFL lamp , now have 4 .....

i need buy more , two 3way CFL wall switch , one for my stairs and other for bathroom second floor , and 4 more wall switch for CFL more

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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2013, 03:51:38 PM »

hi my friends

i find a little problem with the wall switch , i dont know if is noise ..

i have a tm751 for send the command via RF with HR12A , so when i turn on or turn off the light with the software active pro or my software with x10 plugin , working fine , but when i use the HR12A , sometimes dont working very well , for example , try turn on , then turn off , and alone turn on again , or viseverse , if try to turn on , alone turn off -turn on , like how if the remote control send alone the signal .....

what do us think ?   the remote control is bad , the tm751 is bad , or have noise in the system ...

remember i put all breakers with x10 to same phase , so with the software active pro  and my software , working fine ........   thanks mikee
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2013, 07:54:48 AM »

What model of X10 or X10Pro wall switch?

Incadescent or dimmable CFL bulb controlled by the problem switch?

When you turn the light with AHP and the CM15A. It works correctly?

When you use the TM751 and HR12A. Does the light not respond at all or do strange things? Like you turn it On and it goes On then back Off or you turn it Off and it goes back On?

Have you tested the TM751 and HR12A with the TM751 in the exact outlet you are using the CM15A in?
« Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 07:57:18 AM by Brian H »
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 11:41:06 AM »

hi brian

the wall switch what i use are WS13A , the bulb are all CFL

yes , when i turn on or tun off the light with AHP and CM15A working perfect , i use more my software with CM15A and working  correctly too
 

my house is two floor , first floor i have the house code E , the second floor have the house code I and the module for water heater house code K ... so now i have only one TM751 connect to second floor , then i buy another for first floor , so , now only one have .....and use the HR12A for second floor only , the second floor have for now 4 wall switch WS13A , the first day when i change the all x10 for same phase , i test , and working fine , but yestarday when i test again the HR12A , begginng  that problem ,
when use the HR12A , the wall switch respond but when turn on , and then turn off , but sometimes the cycle is turn on , alone turn off , then alone turn on ,cycle does not I just touch the button on the remote

the CM15A i have connect in first floor ...

i move the TM751 for other autlet on the second floor for test , but the problem is the same , the strange is with the AHP and my software , working fine , when turn on , on perfect and dont turn off , when push the button again is when turn off ...... you understain me , sorry with my english my friend
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 12:58:03 PM »

TM751s are not polite. They have no power line receiver in them. So if both of your TM751s receive the same RF command from the HR12A. In theory they can step on each other and the module you want to control. May act strange.
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 01:12:18 PM »

If the TM751s are set for different housecodes, there should be no problems. Even if on the same housecode, there's likely to be no problem unless they are far apart and one sees a weak RF signal as a result. With a strong RF signal, the TM751 will send PLC as soon as it has received the first copy of the RF code. With a weak RF signal, it may require one or more copies of the RF code to set the AGC in the TM751, causing it to step on the earlier PLC triggered by the stronger RF.
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 01:49:29 PM »

hi again  , so , then what  recommend what  change the house code of the second floor to see if it will be fix the problem or  defective  TM751 or HR12A

or do you recommend?

but i have only one TM751 for now , i have conect to second floor only , with house code I , the remote control i only have use for now in the second floor , first floor i turn on and turn off for  monitor touch screen
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 02:57:06 PM »

Having reread the whole thread, I think you have noise problems. You describe cases where you can turn things on but not off, etc. - that's usually an indication of noise coming from the device that was turned on.
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Re: Problem about CFL noise
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 03:01:27 PM »

Having reread the whole thread, I think you have noise problems. You describe cases where you can turn things on but not off, etc. - that's usually an indication of noise coming from the device that was turned on.

Yes, that's why I recommended the XTB-ANR to him in the first place.

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