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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Help & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: mike on December 09, 2009, 07:37:37 AM
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anyone seen this one? ver 3.326, win7 64b:
When I issue a simple E5 ON, I get it and then immediately an E6 OFF.
Conversely, when I issue a simple E5 OFF, I get it and then immediately an E6 ON.
no marcos, nothing. Just flip sw in a lite module in a room in ahp.
I tried removing batts and powering down for 5 minutes and sending same and it still does it
I tried clearing memory and it still does it. javascript:void(0);
I can't seem to get this to stop. Any ideas? ???
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I tried clearing memory and it still does it. I can't seem to get this to stop. Any ideas? ???
Don't forget to delete the contents of your trash/recycle bin in AHP. Old macros and triggers can be a problem.. even from there. You may want to triple check your rooms, and macros, and timers... I would.. as well as [check] other computers (tools/find other computers) to see if those codes are being used somehow.
I would also completely clear the CM15A... after clearing it normally... I'd remove it from the power and USB as well as remove the batteries. Then reload it and try again.
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When I issue a simple E5 ON, I get it and then immediately an E6 OFF.
Conversely, when I issue a simple E5 OFF, I get it and then immediately an E6 ON.
In your activity monitor, check to see if the CM15A is sending or receiving the unexpected E6 commands. If it is receiving, then the problem is most likely coming from an external source.
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THANKS FOR ideas.
I DID completely delete old program thru tools menu, then unplugged, took ALL batts out (left them out for 3 hours this time) put back in, and it does exactly the same thing still! didn't even reload my program yet. here is monitor starting with E5 off in ahp room screen and then clicking it ON then back off:
(http://c:\temp\capture.jpg)
in case that did not show up:
xmit E5
xmit E On
rcv RF C6 Off
rcv C6
then I shut it off:
xmt E off
rcv RF C6 On
rcv C6
rcv C On
Crazy! Yes, it says it is Receiving RF but what sends RF other than eagle eyes?
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Crazy! Yes, it says it is Receiving RF but what sends RF other than eagle eyes?
What remote are you using? Could you try another?
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Remotes can send RF.
So can the CM15A itself as it also has an X10 Transmitter in it.
Any of the USB Transceivers in the setup?
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I send the C5 by clicking on lite sw in ahp & watch activity monitor see it and then the E6 bit, so not using a remote.... maybe I should try sending the E5 on with a remote instead... wait one... turns C5 on only - works. try sw in ahp again - also works now! wtf??
It is now just turning on/off C5 and not messing with E6 like it has for the last month! I did make some minor other changes to other rooms but nothing with either of these codes used. I even checked this problem right after making the little changes last night and C5 still made E6 go. well guess it is a case of "don;t look a gift horse in the mouth." I will accept it again and not look back. wierd.
thanks for all the comments and ideas.
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do you check the adresses wheel switches on the modules maybe there`s one defective, 5 and 6 are close and i already have that kind of problem.
hope it will help
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PERHAPS IT is time to swap out both module and eagle eye - good thought - thanks.
it came back and is here again.
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I'm confused.
Is it E5/E6, or is it E5/C6?
If is IS E5/E6, perhaps you have a day/night sensor on E6, and that senses the light coming on, thinks it is day, and turns it off?
Since it is receiving an RF signal back, perhaps one of your neighbors has X10, and has a macro for those addresses.
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sorry for the confusion, I did mess up and say E5 causes E6. I am trying again right now:
- E5 ON (from ahp room sw icon) causes E5 ON then also immediately C6 OFF in activity monitor.
- E5 OFF (from ahp room sw icon) causes E5 OFF then also immediately C6 ON in activity monitor.
No neighbors within range (we are in log home 1/2 mile off street & own the house next door)
I have transceived codes set to NONE in hardware configuration as I instead use a V572RF32.
If I unplug V572RF32 from PCS05 line transceiver (so the rcvd code does not go to line) C6 still happens, so it is not coming thru V572 module.
If I unplug coax (to external antenna) on CM15a, most of the time C6 does not get received; so it IS coming in the CM15 via antenna.
If I leave CM15 ant off & plug V572 back in, I get C6 again consistently - as Recieve not Receive RF - as expected. So the C6 IS being generated somewhere!
(I need my CM15 antenna so my DS10 security door & window switches work).
I have no macros triggering on E5; it is simply a flour decorator wall sw.
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First I must say impressive amount of troubleshooting tests.
It looks like the E5 is causing some device to send a C6 RF signal as the tests indicate is happening.
Can you tell us what devices you have; that can send an RF signal.
You mentioned DS10 security door and window sensors. Is there a security console in the mix?
I know the CM15A can send an RF signal but being so close to the internal receiver. I would think if it was sending the C6 even with the CM15A receiver antenna disconnected it would be seen in the Activity Monitor.
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thanks. wish I could fix it tho.
Only RF xmtrs I know of are the eagle eyes around, the cm15, and the v572 (its just a recvr tho doesnt rexmt I dont think). have 2 smart repeaters (PCS01 or some wuch) that do rexmt but they are unplugged on the shelf in the workshop.
I've not a clue where this is coming from! but it is consistent as my alarm clock!
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Sounds like a real mystery. I have a few more questions:
1. What does E5 control?
2. What other X10 devices are in the room / location where E5 is located?
3. Do you have anything on C6?
4. Do you have anything on housecode C at all?
--Noam
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1.) E5 lite in my workshop; C5 is motion sensor there
2.) D5 is DS10 door sw, G5 is camera in workshop
3.) C6 is likewise motion sensor - in my warehouse. Here, G6 is camera, D6 is DS10 door sw, E6 is the lite
4.) u can see I use C's (C1-C10) as motion sensors in different areas. Likewise same number per area for G cameras, D for doors, E for lites.
So the extra RF 'motion' command messes up another room lites and macros bad.
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Are you aware that an X10 motion sensor uses two addresses. The first address is for motion (C5), The second is a day/night sensor (C6). When you turn the light on, the day/night sensor sees the light, assumes the sun has come up and sends C6 off to turn off the lights.
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Are you aware that an X10 motion sensor uses two addresses. The first address is for motion (C5), The second is a day/night sensor (C6). When you turn the light on, the day/night sensor sees the light, assumes the sun has come up and sends C6 off to turn off the lights.
Does this apply to the ActiveEye Motion Sensor?
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Are you aware that an X10 motion sensor uses two addresses. The first address is for motion (C5), The second is a day/night sensor (C6). When you turn the light on, the day/night sensor sees the light, assumes the sun has come up and sends C6 off to turn off the lights.
Does this apply to the ActiveEye Motion Sensor?
Yes. Read the installation instructions. The day night sensor can be disabled.
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http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Comparison_of_All_Motion_Sensors
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That's where I was going.
I suspect that when the light in the shop (E5) comes on, the day/night sensor of the C5 motion detector (C6) says "hey! it is daytime, time to turn off", and sends a "C6 Off" command. The reverse happens when the light in the whop goes off ("C6 on" is sent).
I guess either disable the day/night function of that motion sensor, or pick a different address to use for it, as well as the other motion sensor.
--Noam
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boy am I dumb! this may well be it! I even USE that feature at the house next door so know about it! BTW, just bought and replaced my smarthome 220v repeater thing with JV XTB repeater thing and now I can turn on and off A1 (alarm light/transmitter) in that house next door from my house! 1/2 mile away and thru 2 different 220v->7200V xfmrs feeding each house! Is that cool or what?
I will try to find time to turn off the day/night thing and see if I'm fixed. THANKS!!
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just bought and replaced my smarthome 220v repeater thing with JV XTB repeater thing and now I can turn on and off A1 (alarm light/transmitter) in that house next door from my house! 1/2 mile away and thru 2 different 220v->7200V xfmrs feeding each house! Is that cool or what?
Through two pole xformers?! WOW!!! I didn't know that was possible. I knew the XTBIIR was a blowtorch of a repeater, but did not realize it was nuclear powered. rofl
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Ah... I can see it now. A whole neighborhood of homes with lights flashing on and off when any security alarm goes off. rofl
Jeff
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I can see an army of lawyers descending on his house, each with a cease order and and several lawsuits. ::)
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OK I removed batteries from C5 and the phantom C6 RF send stopped; thank you to Noam for helping me find this!
I am using Eagle Eye MS14's...... these have the code+1 day/night output. Unlike the MS15/16's that can be programmed to turn this day/nite function off, the MS13/14 instruction sheets do not say this is an option.
Does anyone know if the day/nite on CODE+1 can be disabled in the MS14 eagle eye?
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Does anyone know if the day/nite on CODE+1 can be disabled in the MS14 eagle eye?
Yes, Open the xxxeye and wrap a piece of black electrical tape around the Csd light sensor. The Csd cell is positioned next to the PIR IC which is the small round metal "can" IC with a window in the top. The PIR IC and the Csd cell are positioned in center of PC board so the both see out the motion sensors window. The Csd cell will have a squiggly line visable to the light. Cover it completely with the tape.
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dah! man am I not thinking! what a nice 'fix! THANKS!
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Yeah, it's one of those forest/trees thing, although a lot of users do not like taking things apart...me on the other hand... :'
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Long time forum members probably know I am a hardware type.
I sometimes actually buy something with the intention of taking it apart and seeing how it works. While most would say a 1/2 bright LM465 was bad and want a replacement. I took mine apart to see what was wrong with it. :)%
I got a great deal on a few ZWave units just to see how they work. Though my X10 and Insteon setup is not in jeopardy. ;D
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I sometimes actually buy something with the intention of taking it apart and seeing how it works.
This falls into the "Hey! Thats worth a buck!" catagory.
This weekend at the "Dollar Store" I found small Sylvania "LED Closet Light". A matchbook sized, button battery powered, magnet activated, closet/drawer light with mating magnet assembly.
"How cool! Toy value alone is worth a buck!" I said out loud, causing people to move away.
Anywho, you double side tape the light to the door frame and tape the magnet to the door. Open the door and the tiny light comes ON. Where else can you find a magnetic reed switch for a mere $1?? Too bad the three button cells won't fit in a Slim Line switch, that would have been a really giant score. :)%
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Where else can you find a magnetic reed switch for a mere $1??
I snag mine from old junk laptops from work. Doesn't cost me a dime. ;D But I agree, you can't beat it for a buck. #:) Another place to look for cool electronics and parts is goodwill. People throw away the darndest things and they get sold C H E A P. >!
Dan B.
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Where else can you find a magnetic reed switch for a mere $1??
I snag mine from old junk laptops from work. Doesn't cost me a dime. ;D But I agree, you can't beat it for a buck. #:) Another place to look for cool electronics and parts is goodwill. People throw away the darndest things and they get sold C H E A P. >!
Dan B.
O-o-o-h, I'm listening. But where do they use reed switches in a laptop? Top open/closed sensor?
Speaking of people throwing stuff away. About five years ago Bose had a bad run of 5 volt regulators in their Wave Radio's. The current rating was marginal and a lot of regulators lasted until well after the warranty. Many owners just tossed/donated them when they went . I read several internet postings about electronic hobbyists picking them up for a song and having a $300 Wave Radio for the cost of a 7805 at Radio Shark. I keep checking Goodwill.... :'
Sorry about stealing this thread, but I thing the E5 - C6 thing has been solved anyway.
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O-o-o-h, I'm listening. But where do they use reed switches in a laptop? Top open/closed sensor?
Speaking of people throwing stuff away. About five years ago Bose had a bad run of 5 volt regulators in their Wave Radio's. The current rating was marginal and a lot of regulators lasted until well after the warranty. Many owners just tossed/donated them when they went . I read several internet postings about electronic hobbyists picking them up for a song and having a $300 Wave Radio for the cost of a 7805 at Radio Shark. I keep checking Goodwill.... :'
Sorry about stealing this thread, but I thing the E5 - C6 thing has been solved anyway.
The reed switches I am getting are out of Apple iBook laptops. The do hapen to be for the open/closed sensor. In some models, mostly the 14 inch models, the reed switch is in the LCD panel casing. On the 12 inch models it is under the top plastic.
Dan B.