This replaces the DS7000. Notice it has wired inputs as well. I especailly like the new model keychain remote.
http://www.x10.com/promotions/sc12a_console_lcd_new.html
X10 sent me an email alert on it yesterday.
Looks nice.
Lets see what the first purchasers have to say in their reviews.
I bought the old one last week....maybe that's why they were on sale for $39 bucks...lol The new one does have a few more features, but still happy with the DS7000 system. At the price paid including a few accessories, it was a cheap solution to home security and peace of mind when away from home.
I believe that price is only for the console itself. Not a complete kit.
Quote from: Brian H on February 12, 2011, 06:15:07 AM
Lets see what the first purchasers have to say in their reviews.
You mean the "beta testers" don't you. ;D
Seems like a repackaged DS7000 merged with Telephone Responder. It looks nice...I may have to get one.
Would be really nice if X10 made the remote phone control of modules, full 256 HCUC capable, but I doubt they did that or it would be mentioned in the ad text. :-\
Kind of looks like the Radio Shack 49-1000 security console. That was an OEM from X10. With some different features.
Lets hope they may make new sensors to go with it. As the RS ones had a saw frequency determining component and the door window sensor has a set of screw terminals for an external switch.
Quote from: Brian H on February 12, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Lets hope they may make new sensors to go with it. As the RS ones had a saw frequency determining component and the door window sensor has a set of screw terminals for an external switch.
Looks like you got your wish. The sensors are called "Smart Sensors" and the window sensor does have terminal extra for extra wired contacts. Pix are abot 3/4 way down the URL page.
Did the RS system have "Telephone Responder" features?
Yes it did have the telephone responder feature.
I originally said no but just looked at the 49-1000 kit users manual and it did.
I looked again at the link for the console.
The photos look almost identical to the console, sensors and remotes in the 49-1000 kit.
Including the two hard wired inputs and tamper switch.
It did have two security addresses for lamp modules to flash. Down side the dual addresses messed up the small and large powerhorn sirens. They didn't work or just chirped. ::)
I have the schematics; parts lists and photos for the Radio Shack branded stuff from the FCC site.
Quote from: Brian H on February 12, 2011, 04:52:16 PM
..... It did have two security addresses for lamp modules to flash. Down side the dual addresses messed up the small and large powerhorn sirens. They didn't work or just chirped. ::)
No external siren connection... and powerhorns don't work ether?
Great.
nice new consol but 80.00 dollars shud come with at least new key chain remotes & or some moduals, and still no external siren hook ups. who's the person deisigning this stuff, lose this person, doe'sn't have the products best interest at heart.
and the new key chain remotes look cool but shud of resiesd the buttons, you will have the same problem with the old ones acidently pressing the buttons wile in your pocket.
it is odveist the person deisigning this stuff doen't use it.
It was most likely designed in 2004 as it looks like the Radio Shack 49-1000 kit. Made for them as an OEM product by X10.
One other thing to note. The DS12A Door/Window sensor. It has an internal reed switch so the magnet and sensor have to be mounted next to each other. For some installations this could be a hindrance and the optional external switch connections maybe needed.
The prices are not that bad. You get more in the $149 kit from X10 than you did in the $149 49-1000 kit from the Shack.
49-1000 kit was console, X10 enabled wall wart power supply, 2 door/window sensors with magnets, 1 motion sensor, 1 keychain remote,mounting hardware packet.
Give it a few months and the prices will most likely drop. Seems most new products from X10 follow that course.
I still have a closeout 49-1000 kit buried somewhere. :'
OK, Now I'm bummed again. For a while I thought X10 had actually hired a design engineer or two. It now appears they just hired a new person in China to scrape off the Radio Shark logo and replace with X10. :'
Well I can't verify that 100%.
They could have done like other modules and redesigned to use modern parts.
Though mine is one of the few X10 devices not disassembled.
Maybe X10 will have the manual for it available to look at. That way we would know its exact setup.
The Radio Shack one is here but no guarantee it stayed the same. ;D
http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/uc/rsk/Support/ProductManuals/4901000_PM_EN.pdf
Quote from: Brian H on February 13, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Well I can't verify that 100%.
They could have done like other modules and redesigned to use modern parts.
Yeah, I was just joking, they probably are new build.
IMO it has been a looooong time since X10 brought out a "clean sheet of paper design" device. The Icon remote is the last "newthing" I can remember. This "new" alarm, is really an older design. The "Nstinct" is a repackaging of a remote X10 make for the Phillips name. The new featured wall switches and lamp modules is the old units with new PICS which actually came from the discontinued 2-Way modules.
I dunno, I just don't think they have any design engineering any more. Obviously there are a few software engineers and I am sure there is manufacturing engineering in Shenzhen, but I just don't see any indication of a true new design. :'(
Deleted comment about keypad deactivation. This unit
does incorporate it.
In fact everything said in this post has been said before. My rant serves no purpose so ADMINISTATOR please delete. :-*
Quote from: Brian H on February 13, 2011, 07:37:29 AM
It was most likely designed in 2004 as it looks like the Radio Shack 49-1000 kit. Made for them as an OEM product by X10.....
............ I still have a closeout 49-1000 kit buried somewhere. :'
So is the a keypad behind one of those panels?
The X10 link in the first post of this thread. Takes you to the sales page for the console.
Part way down the page is a photo of the console with the right side front door open.
It shows the battery compartment, tamper switch, wired zones 31-32 connection for the X10 enabled wall wart supply and the keypad.
You may want to download the RS manual I linked to for a rough estimate of how it may work.
Quote from: Brian H on February 13, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
.... You may want to download the RS manual I linked to for a rough estimate of how it may work.
I just did that and was returning to edit my post. THANKS so much for the lighting fast information
Brian H. I have mixed... (but more good than bad) feelings about the new console.
New or old it adds features the ds7000 doesn't have. If its the radio shack version it will be nice to be able to deregister door and window sensors.
i wonder if the new consol has good RF range i dont see an antena ?
and Doe's the key-pad let you punch a code in to dis-arm?
Anyone now how many times this "new" panel chimes when set in "home" mode? My old X-10 chimes FORTY times when in "home" mode and that is IRRITATING! B:( Have they ever thought about about changing or letting the user change the number of chimes per mode? -:) Thanks.
Quote from: mhart521963 on February 14, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Anyone now how many times this "new" panel chimes when set in "home" mode? My old X-10 chimes FORTY times when in "home" mode and that is IRRITATING! B:( Have they ever thought about about changing or letting the user change the number of chimes per mode? -:) Thanks.
. My ds7000 only chimes once in home mode to indicate it's armed. Can you further describe the sequence of events that leads to "40 chimes"?
Owner's manuals for the new security console, sensors, and remote are posted on ftp.x10.com. One difference between the DS10A and DS12A is the DS10A supports a low battery flag but there is no mention of this for the DS12A.
Both the DS12A and MS18A support tamper (cover open) while the DS10A and MS10A do not.
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/DS12A-OM.PDF
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/KR32A-OM.PDF
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/MS18A-OM.PDF
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/SC1200-OM.pdf
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/SC1200-QSG.pdf
Thanks for the links.
I was hoping it would not be too long before they got there.
I will have to compare the consoles data to my Radio Shack 49-1000 console made by X10.
It now also has a wiki area.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/SecuriLINK_Home_Security_System
Quote from: Dave_x10_L on February 12, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: Brian H on February 12, 2011, 04:52:16 PM
..... It did have two security addresses for lamp modules to flash. Down side the dual addresses messed up the small and large powerhorn sirens. They didn't work or just chirped. ::)
No external siren connection... and powerhorns don't work ether? Great.
I was just getting ready to start a rant about how OLD the DS7000 was and how long it has gone with no upgrade. I really like the new console sure hope X10 did their homework on this, but whats this about the power horns not working that's to me one of the best features of the whole system! When I had an attempted break in I'm convinced that those power horns three on the main floor were the main reason the crooks didn't stay long enough to get a thing! that and all my lights flashing. Wondering if you can cut ALL Lights Of remotely if the alarm goes off if you're out of town or can access the system in person there should be some way to turn the lights off. Had a friend that was on vacation when it happen had all the lights on in his house for 3 weeks! you should have seen his electric bill!!! So is it true the power horns don't function properly that would be a deal breaker for me!! l also just looked at the instructions seems like you can only flash TWO LIGHTS when an alarm goes off now this is a real BUMMER. Is this true or did I read this wrong.
Tom j.
The Radio Shack used two security lamp addresses. Like if you picked B1. B2 was also a security lamp address.
During an alarm it would send B1 B2 Bon then B1 B2 Boff. The power horns did not like that.
I did see on page 35 of the manual. The two security light codes detailed. Sounds just like the Radio Shack model.
Guess we wait for someone to report findings when they get the console or a complete kit.
Not going to be the Brian H testing labs this time. ::)
Quote from: Brian H on February 16, 2011, 06:02:41 AM
The Radio Shack used two security lamp addresses. Like if you picked B1. B2 was also a security lamp address.
During an alarm it would send B1 B2 Bon then B1 B2 Boff. The power horns did not like that.
Yeah but reading in the wiki link it mentions that the powerhorn siren will work!
Quote from: Brian H on February 15, 2011, 05:57:50 AM
It now also has a wiki area.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/SecuriLINK_Home_Security_System
Will be nice when we do get more feed back from users.
Quote from: Dave_x10_L on February 16, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
Quote from: Brian H on February 16, 2011, 06:02:41 AM
The Radio Shack used two security lamp addresses. Like if you picked B1. B2 was also a security lamp address.
During an alarm it would send B1 B2 Bon then B1 B2 Boff. The power horns did not like that.
Yeah but reading in the wiki link it mentions that the powerhorn siren will work!
Quote from: Brian H on February 15, 2011, 05:57:50 AM
It now also has a wiki area.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/SecuriLINK_Home_Security_System
Will be nice when we do get more feed back from users.
What about the flashing lights is it just two unit codes that will flash. ??? If so they really didn't do their due diligence when designing this thing. It has some nice features but they should found out what the customer wants thats what I do with my company I would never try to design something for sale without consumer input.
Tom j.
Quote from: peg-leg on February 14, 2011, 08:58:54 PM
Quote from: mhart521963 on February 14, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Anyone now how many times this "new" panel chimes when set in "home" mode? My old X-10 chimes FORTY times when in "home" mode and that is IRRITATING! B:( Have they ever thought about about changing or letting the user change the number of chimes per mode? -:) Thanks.
. My ds7000 only chimes once in home mode to indicate it's armed. Can you further describe the sequence of events that leads to "40 chimes"?
I have the "old" X10 and just ordered this new SC1200 unit. My old X10 chimes only ONCE when I set in away mode and 40 times when I set up in home mode at night - sort of the "opposite" of what you would think it should. I am hoping the new SC1200 will chime "more intelligently" than the old X-10; with the old unit I have to listen carefully from outside for the one chime when I set by remote (wishing it would chime five or six times for example) and when I go to bed and set in home mode I have to listen to it chime for 40 times before it sets up. Kind of gets on your nerves at bedtime, if you know what I mean!
i think yours is defective. Mine arming away or home only chimes once.
Mine will only chime once also when armed in either home or away mode. Chimes twice when disarmed. The only time mine will chime multiple times when arming is if one of the sensors is not reporting in. Like a window or door is opened.
Say this thing won't flash all the lights on your designated house code. ??? B:(
Tom j.
It appears that is the case although I haven't tested it yet.
I'm an X10 reseller and took delivery today of the new console, sensors and remotes. I'll be temporarily replacing my DS7000 console with the new one to check range, reliability and exactly how it executes functions. I'll also be trying the sensors and remotes side by side with my existing ones.
I'll try to report my findings here.
One thing I noticed already was that the "rubber plugs" which the manual says are included to pop into the wall mount holes to angle the unit for table top use are NOT included.
The packaging leaves a lot to be desired. Just two bubble bags and stuffed into the same box used for the DS7000 console. No foam inserts for protection.
Sounds good to me.
Someone that has both systems and can test side by side.
If you have a chance. See if Powerhorns work with it. I have the Radio Shack 49-1000 made by X10 a few years ago. That looks allot like the new X10 one. The dual security address on off and not all lights on all units off. Messed them up.
Quote from: dwp on February 14, 2011, 09:15:28 AM
i wonder if the new consol has good RF range i dont see an antena ?
THIS IS BEYOND CRITICAL!!!!!! IF RANGE IS DOWN TO AHP RANGE IT IS USELESS. NO ANTENNA?? PLEASSSSSSSSSE SOMEONE COMPARE RANGE TO OLD UNIT!!!!!!!
rofl
Quote from: dave w on February 17, 2011, 08:32:36 PM
rofl
Sorry, I didn't mean to shout but I was excited.... maybe if someone just sets new up next to old and starts walking backwards pushing DISARM every 5 feet or so they could quickly hear range of one vs the other and report back?
Quote from: mike on February 18, 2011, 08:05:10 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to shout but I was excited.... maybe if someone just sets new up next to old and starts walking backwards pushing DISARM every 5 feet or so they could quickly hear range of one vs the other and report back?
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to buy one of these, but like you, am waiting for "beta testers" reports. :D
I think Brian H said earlier the Radio Shark sensors used SAW fliters to determine transmitter frequency. Likely these sensors are identical. That would improve frequency accuracy, and indicate (to me) that Radio Shark wanted to achieve a higher standard when they contracted the newer alarm system.
Yes many of the newer X10 RF devices seem to be going to SAW filters for frequency determination.
In the photo of the Door Window sensor. I can see what looks like a SAW filter.
Quote from: Brian H on February 18, 2011, 10:53:36 AM
Yes many of the newer X10 RF devices seem to be going to SAW filters for frequency determination.
Does your Radio Shark base use a SAW for the receiver or just L-C?
Since it had no RF transmitter in it. There was no FCC files for the main console.
I will look at my notes as I did have the cover off of mine and see if I can remember anything.
I never did a real distance test but I believe it was fairly far RF wise.
Maybe I can dig it out and see what I can find.
Like many of my goodies. It seems to be in one of the Storage Totes. :'
Scary finding. The FCC number on the 49-1000 console is B4S-11BSC12A. Isn't the new X10 ones model a SC12A?
OK, here's what I've found so far.
When triggered, the new console will NOT flash all lights set to the same house code, only those set to the same light code that you select in the console and to that unit code + one. These two unit codes will also flash on and off when you arm the system in the away mode.
My PH508 works but must be set to the same unit code selected in the console. There appears to be a slightly longer delay before the horn activates than with the DS7000/PS561.
The new KR32A remote does not work as specified in the manual, which says you can turn either of the two unit codes on and off using the remote by pressing the "A" buttons or the "B" buttons. They copied this directly from the RS 49-1000 instructions. The RS remote DOES have two sets of ON/OFF buttons, the bottom two function as the panic buttons when pressed together.
NOTE: I forgot to add that the on/off buttons on the remote control the SECOND unit code (the + one code) NOT the one selected in the console. My selected unit code is "7" but the remote controls only unit "8". I've verified this in the AHP Activity monitor which watches but doesn't transceive my houscode.
The range as far as my existing door sensors is the same as the DS7000/DS10A combination. I also used my DS7000 console as the transceiver for my house and the new console seems to be doing the same good job.
The rubber plugs mentioned in the manual for elevating the console for counter top use won't be happening. Another copy job from the 49-1000 manual.
I'll be doing further range testing with the KR32A remote outside and will fire up some of the DS12A sensors as well.
As they say on the nightly news teasers, FILM AT 11 ;)
Thanks for the update.
Will be waiting for more results.
That also means the Powerhorn setup in the wiki is also incorrect. It still says pick any unused unit code in the security house code.
Since the SC12A sends On and Off to the two security addresses and not All Lights On All Units Off. It would never trigger if set to one of the unused unit codes.
Quote from: Brian H on February 18, 2011, 11:29:14 AM
Maybe I can dig it out and see what I can find.
Like many of my goodies. It seems to be in one of the Storage Totes. :'
Scary finding. The FCC number on the 49-1000 console is B4S-11BSC12A. Isn't the new X10 ones model a SC12A?
Don't go rooting around, it was just a curiosity question on my part. Not important.
The FCC nomenclature isn't surprising. I really don't think X10 Inc. has a viable design staff any more.
dave w; I will not have to dig around for the 49-1000 kit.
bigjohn9944 seems to be finding that the SC12A and the 49-1000 are very close to each other operationally. ???
MOST of the info in the WIKI is incorrect as most of it pertains to the DS7000. It even suggests using an SR731 to increase range.
Oh yeah, while I think of it, the two hardwire zones are for closed circuit sensors. There are jumpers on their terminals which need to be removed.
More later.
hrm dont like this at all. I need it to flash the house code if i only get two uc it would be one for my 2 sc546 and that only leaves one for a lamp module or switch.
Maybe a hack could be to use a Universal Module on one of the UC's coupled to a PowerFlash set to flash the HC. ( mode 1 or mode 2 ?).
The alarm panel in combination with some HA software script/macro could be used to flash an entire HC
Quote from: bigjohn9944 on February 18, 2011, 01:18:32 PM
...............I also used my DS7000 console as the transceiver for my house and the new console seems to be doing the same good job.
What does this mean?
I thought DS7000 only rvcd RF and did not send RF.
I also thought it only sent via power line its house code on/off & unit code for alarm set notification?
The new SC12A and the DS7000 Console do act like a TM751 or RR501 transceiver. They will take any X10 RF signal on the security house code it is set to and resend it on the power lines. Like security house code B. Would tranceive B1 through B16 RF signals just like a TM751 or RR501 would. If set to house code B
So you are correct. They receive RF and do not send RF.
They use the power line signals to send all the notifications and alarms.
The DS7000 console (PS561) does not send RF. Like the TM751 and RR501 transceivers, the PS561 as well as the new SC12A both receive RF sent to their house codes and send the commands on the powerline. A feature X10 never really advertised.
Quote from: bigjohn9944 on February 17, 2011, 06:34:48 PM
It appears that is the case although I haven't tested it yet.
I'm an X10 reseller and took delivery today of the new console, sensors and remotes. I'll be temporarily replacing my DS7000 console with the new one to check range, reliability and exactly how it executes functions. I'll also be trying the sensors and remotes side by side with my existing ones.
I'll try to report my findings here.
One thing I noticed already was that the "rubber plugs" which the manual says are included to pop into the wall mount holes to angle the unit for table top use are NOT included.
The packaging leaves a lot to be desired. Just two bubble bags and stuffed into the same box used for the DS7000 console. No foam inserts for protection.
Fantastic I'm eagerly awaiting your review. I can't believe they would limit two unit codes for flashing the lights but like Brian said we'll have to wait and see. Thanks Bigjohn
Tom j.
Whoops just saw your review seems like I was right about the lights flashing. That's a bummer. B:( B:(
Tom j.
The Users Manual, wiki entries and even the sales pages have errors in them.
Take a look at the SMART Door/Window Sensor photo. On the sales web page.
Red pointer says. "LED lights when motion is detected". Maybe they mean the door or window moves. rofl
X10 is like most things... just follow the directions.
Coffee just came out my nose.
Quote from: Brian H on February 19, 2011, 06:55:46 AM
The Users Manual, wiki entries and even the sales pages have errors in them.
Take a look at the SMART Door/Window Sensor photo. On the sales web page.
Red pointer says. "LED lights when motion is detected". Maybe they mean the door or window moves. rofl
Say Brian well Bigjohn did a partial review think the jury's in as far as the flashing lights aspect is concerned. I didn't want to make any further negative comments until we know for sure. Guess you would be fine if all your lights were on the same unit code. ??? ;D ;) B:(
Tom j.
Got mine today! So far I like it!!! It has most of the qualities that I wanted in the old system.
The only thing I have question on at this point is if I can use my remote sirens with it? So, far I haven't figured it out if I can.
Otherwise... good job X-10
John
Powerhorns. Try setting them to one of the two security light codes X10 address.
I've been a little busy minding my X10 store on Ebay (Big John's Place) but I did have a chance to range test the KR32A AND KR10A remotes with both consoles.
I won't give you any distances because that will vary according to any individual install and the construction of the building but I will say that the new SC12A and the KR32A have a little better range than the DS7000/PS561 even without an antenna. I can hit the SC12A from the street with either the KR32A or the KR10A. The KR32A will activate the DS7000 from the same distance, the KR10A will not.
I can activate the SC12A or the DS7000 from inside my vehicle on the driveway with the KR32A but not with the KR10A.
The KR15A "big red button" will not activate the SC12A as it does the DS7000 console. Also,the SC12A will not transceive the KR15A like the DS7000 did.
I should note here that the KR15A will work ONLY with the DS7000/PS561 OR an RR501 OR TM751's from 2001 (blue box) or earlier. They simply will NOT work with newer TM751's, the CM15A or the new SC12A console.
I'll be tackling the DS12A door sensor next. I likely wont be able to use them in my system because of my door mouldings but I'll test them for comparable range. I presently use recessed mag switches in two doors instead of the surface mounted variety.
The terminals for an additional sensor are in series with the built-in reed switch so ONLY an ADDITIONAL magnet/contact set can be used unless one either glued a magnet to the builtin reed switch or soldered a jumper across it.
Would have been nice if they would have provided an either/or jumper so you could either add a switch or use an external one like I would have to do.
More later on this weekend.
thank you for report on range bigjohn! helpful for it.
Ditto on Mike's post.
Sometimes I forget to show gratitude for the hard work of other here, so here's a +1 from me as well.
Helpful from me also. #:)
Thanks for doing the tests.
Comparing the DS7000 kit to the new SC1200 isn't' something many could do.
if anyone could compare the size of the door sensors compared to size of the old door sensors. By looking at the advertisement it looks smaller than the original ones, but if you look at the measurements they seem to be actually be bigger. I dont want to say trick photography, but might just be. Also thank you to everyone else who has been doing testing on the new equipment and helping us with the purchasing decision.
Specifications for the older DS10A.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Image:Ds10a.jpg
Remember one difference. The new DS12A uses the sensor itself mounted on the window or door frame so the magnet aligns with it when closed.
No extended wire from the sensor to the switch like the older DS10A.
wiki for the DS12A says it is slimmer.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/DS12A
thanks for the measurements and that is the problem. it seems the new sensors are actually wider than the old ones. I already felt that the old sensors were to wide, now they are wider still. but if you look at the pictures in the advertisement they appear to be narrower. and sleeker looking.
The new DS12A's are 1 1/2" W. The DS10A's are 2 1/8" W
Both are same length
I have the Radio Shack 49-1000 Kit that has their 41-1001 Door/Window sensor in it. FCC B4SDS11A. Yes X10 OEM for them. B4S is the giveaway as it is the X10 FCC ID Prefix.
It measures 3 1/8" Tall and 1 5/8" wide. Not counting the external magnet.
bigjohn9944 just verified we have found another typo in the sales literature. :'
thanks for the measurements, i was going off of the sales literature and it gave measurements that made the new sensors bigger than the old ones. Thank you for taking the time to measure for me and many others.
Quote from: paizano1 on February 20, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
thanks for the measurements and that is the problem. it seems the new sensors are actually wider than the old ones. I already felt that the old sensors were to wide, now they are wider still. but if you look at the pictures in the advertisement they appear to be narrower. and sleeker looking.
Yeah they really do I'm thinking that's on purpose and they are like two or three times more expensive. Anyone know if they will still be making the older window door sensors and motion detectors. Actually only had one window door sensor go out in ten years!!
Tom j.
tom j;
Well right now the DS10A Door Window Sensors are available.
Maybe they are clearing them out. As the special is three for $12.99
Price is even lower per sensor with a larger quantity.
http://www.x10.com/promotions/ds10a_ed_pk_1m_promo.html
Quote from: Brian H on February 21, 2011, 06:02:58 AM
tom j;
Well right now the DS10A Door Window Sensors are available.
Maybe they are clearing them out. As the special is three for $12.99
Price is even lower per sensor with a larger quantity.
http://www.x10.com/promotions/ds10a_ed_pk_1m_promo.html
Thaks Brian! think I'll pick up a few just in case. Thanks for the link!!
Tom j.
Say well I asked x10 about the flashing all the lights on a given housecode and this is what they said I believe they are mistaken though. Going to call tech support, and I'll report back.
Tom j.
( Vanessa ) The power horn will work the last few pages of the product manual will have some troubleshooting instructions for using the power horn with the console.
( tom )what about the lights are you sure it will flash all the lights on a given housecode and what time does tech support close during the week
( Vanessa ) Yes, I just double check and the console will be able to flash the lights that are setup to same house code as the console.
Well lets see.
The manual says for a Powerhorn to work. Set it to one of the two security light codes.
If the console sent the All Lights On and All Units Off command to the House Code. Like the DS7000 did. You should be able to pick any Unit Code for the set House Code. Not just the two preset codes.
Bigjohn also verified the only lights flashing where the ones set to the two security codes.
I think Vanessa is misinformed. She should look at page 34 of the manual. It says during an alarm. The lights on the two security addresses flash.
Ok,
here is my review of the SC1200 unit. i got mine last week and set it up over the weekend. (in my part of the world this was a long weekend so I had lots of time). I believe that for the most part this one is a great improvement over the 7000.
First, the power sirens (both old and new) do work if they are on the same housecode (do not have to be on the unit code) BUT there is about a 15 -20 second delay before they start. If they are on the same housecode they will work as they would when triggered from any device on their code.
Second, it does turn on only 2 unit codes when the alarm is triggered and they cycle on and off at about 3 second intervals. Personally I have no problem with this as now I can specifically set up a macro in Activehome Pro for only the units I want on during an alarm. (Having the furnace room lit proves nothing).
Third, (this I really like) when you activate the alarm the housecode comes on to let you know that it has been armed. I have one housecode set to my front porchlight and when we use the remote from the driveway we get a flash to acknowledge our triggering of the alarm.
The type of activation varies with how you set the alarm. If you do it from a keychain remote you get a 1 second flash. If you arm it from the home button on the console you also get a 1 second flash. If you arm it for away from the console you get a 60 second countdown to allow you to exit before it arms itself.
The range is at least as good as the 7000 since I was able to put it in place and had no trouble with any of my existing sensors.
I hope this helps,
Wayne
Thank you for sharing your findings.
I am sure it will assist others.
How old where your old Powerhorns?
Do you have a date code from the little white sticker on them?
Quote from: Waynemor on February 22, 2011, 09:53:06 AM
Ok,
here is my review of the SC1200 unit. i got mine last week and set it up over the weekend. (in my part of the world this was a long weekend so I had lots of time). I believe that for the most part this one is a great improvement over the 7000.
First, the power sirens (both old and new) do work if they are on the same housecode (do not have to be on the unit code) BUT there is about a 15 -20 second delay before they start. If they are on the same housecode they will work as they would when triggered from any device on their code.
Second, it does turn on only 2 unit codes when the alarm is triggered and they cycle on and off at about 3 second intervals. Personally I have no problem with this as now I can specifically set up a macro in Activehome Pro for only the units I want on during an alarm. (Having the furnace room lit proves nothing).
Third, (this I really like) when you activate the alarm the housecode comes on to let you know that it has been armed. I have one housecode set to my front porchlight and when we use the remote from the driveway we get a flash to acknowledge our triggering of the alarm.
The type of activation varies with how you set the alarm. If you do it from a keychain remote you get a 1 second flash. If you arm it from the home button on the console you also get a 1 second flash. If you arm it for away from the console you get a 60 second countdown to allow you to exit before it arms itself.
The range is at least as good as the 7000 since I was able to put it in place and had no trouble with any of my existing sensors.
I hope this helps,
Wayne
Waynemore could you provide the macro you created to flash the lights you wanted during the alarm cycle. And
Brian any idea whay it takes longer to get the powerhorns online, only takes a few maybe 3 or 4 seconds with the older ds7000. ???
Tom j.
Powehorns respond to a cycle of X10 power line commands.
Either its address with an on and off or an All Lights On; All Units Off {actually the rare All Lights Off also worked for me} to its House Code.
The DS7000 sends All Lights; On All Units Off. It could also have used the Security Light Address and an On and Off.
The SC1200 sends two X10 addresses first. Then the On or Off. Like B1, B2, BOn. Then B1, B2, BOff.
Normally it takes two or three cycles to trigger the Powerhorn and it continues for about four seconds after the cycle of power line signals stops.
My feeling it is the cycle of commands charging a capacitor to a trigger voltage level. The second address sent by the SC1200 allows the capacitor to start discharging before the next cycle starts. Thus it takes longer for the trigger voltage to be reached. My older ones didn't ever seem to trigger, but I didn't wait for thirty seconds. The newer ones I think maybe redesigned to work better with the two addresses and the On or Off command.
IMHO Thirty seconds for a siren to start is way too long.
I agree with Brian's theory about the delay being caused by the additional addresses being sent.
When I initially tested my existing powerhorn with the new console, it was not set to the console's "lamp code" and din't activate however, I didn't wait 20 or 30 seconds. I changed the powerhorn's unit code to the code selected in the console and it works fine, except for a slightly longer delay in activation, maybe another second but nowhere near 20 or 30 seconds.
My existing powerhorn is in a garage eave so it's hard to get to. When I get a chance, I'll pull a couple horns from stock and try one set to the secondary (the +1) unit code and the other to any other number and time them.
Well you probably know. X10 does not tell you when changes are made and keep the same model numbers. ;D
My 2004 date code Powerhorns didn't trigger on either security code; but I never waited for thirty seconds.
My 2007 did. They probably changed something.
Like the early Soft Start LM465s. They didn't flash correctly with the DS7000. They tried to ramp On and Off. The newer ones ramp for the first cycle then revert to fast On and Off. Flashing correctly.
Now this was with a RS 49-1000. So it could be different or the same as the SC1200 that has new logos on the parts. :'
Tomorrow I should have time to do extended trigger time tests. With both my 2004 and 2007 Powerhorns and the 49-1000 kit console.
Quote from: Brian H on February 22, 2011, 06:26:19 PM
Powehorns respond to a cycle of X10 power line commands.
Either its address with an on and off or an All Lights On; All Units Off {actually the rare All Lights Off also worked for me} to its House Code.
The DS7000 sends All Lights; On All Units Off. It could also have used the Security Light Address and an On and Off.
The SC1200 sends two X10 addresses first. Then the On or Off. Like B1, B2, BOn. Then B1, B2, BOff.
Normally it takes two or three cycles to trigger the Powerhorn and it continues for about four seconds after the cycle of power line signals stops.
My feeling it is the cycle of commands charging a capacitor to a trigger voltage level. The second address sent by the SC1200 allows the capacitor to start discharging before the next cycle starts. Thus it takes longer for the trigger voltage to be reached. My older ones didn't ever seem to trigger, but I didn't wait for thirty seconds. The newer ones I think maybe redesigned to work better with the two addresses and the On or Off command.
IMHO Thirty seconds for a siren to start is way too long.
IMHO Thirty seconds for a siren to start is way too long.That's what I'm saying 30 second is way to long. The sirens are suppose to be a deterrent and possibly dissuade a would be thief from entering in the first place heck 30 seconds and he could very well be in once in a quick smash and grab and he's out again. Just don't know who could of signed off on this. And are you saying the newly designed powerhorns my take less time to come on line.
Tom j.
I can not say if the newer Powerhorn PH508 or SH10A react differently.
I believe one report was about six seconds which is not too much over the four seconds I have seen with a DS7000.
I only have 04 and 05 date code PH508s and 04 and 07 date code SH10As.
My RS 40-1000 console sends the two security codes in an On Off cycle. I believe the SC1200 is very similar.
All the PH508's do not trigger and this time I waited over one minute. None triggered but when set to the first security code. Beeped momentarily on disarm. ???
The SH10As. The 04 date code units did not trigger. The 07 ones did in between ten and eighteen seconds.
bigjohn9944 as a vendor may have newer ones to try. When he gets a chance and I appreciate the time he has found to help us.
Best if we don't make a complete judgement yet
Well many here may have guessed this already.
Though I swore I would let others carry the ball in testing it.
I ordered one today. :'
So along with other posts.
I will be testing and reporting myself.
I did note in the X10 SC1200 and Radio Shack 49-1000 manuals. Both list the same FCC ID number. So I am leaning towards them being the same. Just different logos and model numbers on the cases.
OK, here's what I found with the PH508's.
The oldest I had was one I had installed in my garage eave and that one has an 09J date. What I have in stock are 10F dated.
Using the DS7000, they activate in 6 seconds. With the new console, 9 seconds.
I tried setting them to both the console selected "lamp code" and the +1 with the same timing result.
When set to any other unit code, they will not activate at all.
Looking at my AHP activity monitor I can see why the activation interval is longer with the new console.
The newer PH508's will activate after completion of two manually sent ON/OFF cycles.
The DS7000 Only has to send
ALL LIGHTS ON
ALL UNITS OFF
ALL LIGHTS ON
ALL UNITS OFF
before the Horns activate.
The new console has to send (in my configuration where A7 is the selected "lamp code"
A7
A8
A ON
A7
A8
A OFF
A7
A8
A ON
A7
A8
A OFF
before the horns "see" two complete ON/OFF cycles and activate
It takes only 6 seconds for the DS7000 to send its required two cycles whereas the new console takes 9 seconds. Thus the delay difference. Make sense?
IF X10 cleans up the manuals I may decide to sell this product as a system but probably not just the console as an "upgraded replacement" for the DS7000 as X10 is selling it.
Since Brian bit the bullet and ordered one, I'll be interested in seeing his results with some of the older horns.
I haven't played with the new door or motion sensors but when I do, I'll post my findings.
Quote from: Brian H on February 23, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
Well many here may have guessed this already.
Though I swore I would let others carry the ball in testing it.
I ordered one today. :'
So along with other posts.
I will be testing and reporting myself.
I did note in the X10 SC1200 and Radio Shack 49-1000 manuals. Both list the same FCC ID number. So I am leaning towards them being the same. Just different logos and model numbers on the cases.
Hum... Say WHAT?? You did order one. Well actually can't wait for your report when did you place your order and when do you think you might get it. I was actually thinking of biting the bullet myself but now that you ordered one I'll wait to see how you feel about it. Let me make sure I understand you were using the older RS version when you discovered the large powerhorns didn't work. If so think they might have upgraded the newer model to work with them. Just a little confused. Thanks Brian!! Good luck with it. :)%
Tom j.
Quote from: bigjohn9944 on February 23, 2011, 06:52:11 PM
OK, here's what I found with the PH508's.
The oldest I had was one I had installed in my garage eave and that one has an 09J date. What I have in stock are 10F dated.
Using the DS7000, they activate in 6 seconds. With the new console, 9 seconds.
I tried setting them to both the console selected "lamp code" and the +1 with the same timing result.
When set to any other unit code, they will not activate at all.
Looking at my AHP activity monitor I can see why the activation interval is longer with the new console.
The newer PH508's will activate after completion of two manually sent ON/OFF cycles.
The DS7000 Only has to send
ALL LIGHTS ON
ALL UNITS OFF
ALL LIGHTS ON
ALL UNITS OFF
before the Horns activate.
The new console has to send (in my configuration where A7 is the selected "lamp code"
A7
A8
A ON
A7
A8
A OFF
A7
A8
A ON
A7
A8
A OFF
before the horns "see" two complete ON/OFF cycles and activate
It takes only 6 seconds for the DS7000 to send its required two cycles whereas the new console takes 9 seconds. Thus the delay difference. Make sense?
IF X10 cleans up the manuals I may decide to sell this product as a system but probably not just the console as an "upgraded replacement" for the DS7000 as X10 is selling it.
Since Brian bit the bullet and ordered one, I'll be interested in seeing his results with some of the older horns.
I haven't played with the new door or motion sensors but when I do, I'll post my findings.
Say thanks for the posting!!! :)% you really cleared up a lot and I can plainly see why there is a sight lag 3 seconds not sure I would even notice it.
Just not sure about this could you please go over it again. Are you saying you set both light codes to the same number? like A1, A1 not sure I understand exactly what you're saying.
Tom j.
When set to any other unit code, they will not activate at all.
Yes I have a 49-1000 in the box. I played with it and used it to assist other with them.
I decided it was time to get the SC1200 19 piece kit and install it.
Purchasing just the extra parts would cost about as much as the whole kit.
Ordered this morning.
Free shipping that x10 said could take ten days as I didn't want to pay the $8.99 5 day FedEx.
Got an email from an X10 sales person asking if I wanted to expand the order. :D
Tonight I got a Order has shipped email.
Have not checked the FedEx tracking number. If it was from the NJ warehouse to me in CT. Should not be too long.
Do I think they updated the Powerhorns. Probably.
Do I think the SC1200 was upgraded over my 49-1000. Not sure but looking more doubtful by the minute.
You can't set both light codes to the same address.
You set the first one in the menu and the second one is one unit code higher.
If you go past 16 it loops back.
bigjohn9944's findings look just like mine do from the 49-1000.
First address, second address then an On. Followed by first address, second address then an Off.
Cycle of. A7, A8 A On. A7 A8 A Off.
Powerhorns only sound when set to either light code and not any other ones. As the All Lights On, All Units off are not sent by the new SC1200 or my 49-1000.
Tom
When you program the SC1200 console, you select the house code and a "lamp code". This is the unit code that the system will flash when triggered. It will also flash the next unit code. So, if you select unit 7 as the lamp code, unit 8 will also flash.
Here's the weird thing. When you press "LIGHTS ON" on the remote, you would think that the selected unit will turn on (7 in my case) but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the + 1 code turns on.
Brian, if your tracking number starts with "02" it will take a little longer. That designates Fedex "smart post" (I call it DUMB POST) which is ultimately delivered by the Post office.
I'm in the Chicago area, which is two fedex ground days from the NJ warehouse. But if the warehouse screws up and ships an order to me via DUMB POST, it takes a week.
SmartPost as they have in the past.
So maybe a week.
Though sometimes if the moon is aligned just right. I get them is less than a week. ;D
Quote from: bigjohn9944 on February 23, 2011, 07:22:06 PM
Tom
When you program the SC1200 console, you select the house code and a "lamp code". This is the unit code that the system will flash when triggered. It will also flash the next unit code. So, if you select unit 7 as the lamp code, unit 8 will also flash.
Here's the weird thing. When you press "LIGHTS ON" on the remote, you would think that the selected unit will turn on (7 in my case) but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the + 1 code turns on.
Brian, if your tracking number starts with "02" it will take a little longer. That designates Fedex "smart post" (I call it DUMB POST) which is ultimately delivered by the Post office.
I'm in the Chicago area, which is two fedex ground days from the NJ warehouse. But if the warehouse screws up and ships an order to me via DUMB POST, it takes a week.
Got ya! Thanks I see know, thanks again for the help. Thinking about picking up one I'm a sucker for all x10 stuff anyway, or at least that's what the wife says. rofl :'
Tom j.
OK, looks like I owe you guys a partial apology. After checking some more it looks like a timer just happened to set off the alarms about 30 seconds after I tripped them, so the 30 second thing on any unit code is not correct.
However after more testing they will start up about 6 seconds after an alarm if you have them on the alarm's unit code as per the instruction manuals for both.
Someone earlier talked about two cycles of off and on triggering them. According to their manuals this is the way they were designed. Remember when you activate the alarm it flashes the housecodes. If they started up on the first triggering you would get a siren every time you armed your system.
Someone asked me the date codes on mine. The SH10A is 07A01 and the PH508 does not have one (but it is real old). Someone else asked me about having a macro. Remember I just said that it should not be too hard to do. As of yet I have not had time to give it a go.
After having a good look at the SH10A I am more tempted to try tapping its siren and sending that to a Powerflash 284 to trigger all lights (or selected lights). To use this for an alarm I like a hard wired solution better. It may take me a few weeks to figure this out but if no one beats me to it I will be happy to post it for all.
I hope this was of help.
Thanks for the added information on your Powerhorns.
I think the individual results may vary. As yours did trigger on the security light code and my older ones did not.
My PH508s with a 04 and 05 date code never did as well as my old SH10A. My 07 SH10As did but it was in like eighteen seconds. With the Radio Shack 49-1000. My SC1200 should be here next week so I will have a chance to retest all the mixes of devices.
I did find an archived copy of some PH508 modifications from the PIGS Electronics site.
One is how to shorten the number of cycles to trigger it. I may try this on one of mine.
The other one is how to add an output relay. Using the unpopulated area of the PCB where X10 could have installed it.
Yes the older ones have a unused area where X10 had designed in a relay output.
I will see if my new PH508 is the same. I have been told it may not.
So this Saturday morning I was in the mood for puttering (and the wife was sleeping in) so I took my SH10A mini powerhorn apart. I found the two wires that go to the siren and added leads to them. These I made long enough to leave the case and attach to the terminal contacts on my Powerflash. I did a lot of testing to make sure that I was not over driving the Powerflash but the short story is that these can be connected directly without needing any additional resistance etc.
Now whenever the siren is activated the Powerflash turns on the rest of the house as per the configuration that you have it set for.
Personally I like this method better than using a macro because it is an independant action from anything else. (With my luck the one time my house would get broken into the Activehome Pro would hang <G>)
Instructions for modding the SH10A Powerhorn
1. Undo the two screws holding the case together
2. Be careful separating the two halves as the code wheels could fall out
3. Notch a hole somewhere in the upper half for the jumpers to exit through (I did it right near one of the mounting posts}
4. Locate the silver disk (siren) on the front half. It will have 2 wires going to it.
5. Solder a jumper to each wire where it attaches to the disk (Be sure they are long enough and flexible enough to work with
6. Put the case back together
7. Attach the jumpers to the Power Flash
Now whenever the powerhorn starts the lghts go on for the housecode that I have set.
Another benefit of this is that if you have multiple housecodes for lighting you can set the powerflash for whatever you need
Hope this helps.
Isn't that AC voltage coming out of those leads? And, is there any danger in that?
The sounder is a very high impedance device that is driven by a high voltage at very low current.
My thoughts are the powerflash is such a low impedance compared to the sounder. It is loading the voltage down enough to not overload the powerflash's input.
Since the SH10A uses a power line driven power supply with no isolation. I would check from both of your extension wires to safety ground with a meter. To verify you don't have a shock potential to ground. As I am not sure if the driver transformer for the sounder has an isolated secondary.
How does the phone control of the system work? I don't understand how you could arm/disarm and turn lights on and off via phone. Thanks
Outside phone control:
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Operation_from_an_Outside_Telephone
If you care to look at the SC1200s users manual or quick guide.
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/SC1200-OM.pdf
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/SC1200-QSG.pdf
When I put a volt meter accross the terminals on the Powerflash it was showing about 14 volts AC from the siren.
The docs for the Powerflash say that it can take 8 - 16 V as well as signal which is basically AC.
This is in the signal mode NOT the dry contact mode.
Since this was in the correct range for the Powerflash I carried on.
FYI the voltage that my meter registered for the siren was in the low 20's when it was not connected to the PF.
Obviously the current is very low since the PF brings the voltage that far down.
If I tried to use any kind of a dropping resistor as a voltage splitter to bring the V down further it dropped below a triggering value so I left it alone.
The siren does work when this has been triggered.
Unloaded my scope shows greater than 50 volt spikes.
I doubt the powerflash would be seeing over voltage.
My thoughts are not the voltage on the powerflash inputs but from your extension wires to house ground.
The SH10A small powerhorn uses a power line derived power supply with no isolation. Depending on how it is plugged in {mine is not polarized}. I can measure 120 volts AC from either sounder connection to house ground.
The larger PH508 has a power transformer in it and probably {never measured it} does not have AC mixed with the DC supplies.
And so, is this a "safe" modification in your opinion?
Thanks Brian H.
One more instruction needed for this to work properly.
Because the siren is not polarized you have to plug it into the elctrical socket correctly or it is possible for 120 volts AC to be live at one of the screws on the Powerflash. My fix for this is to mount the siren permanently in a polarized triple tap. I have used silicone to glue a triple tap to the siren so that the wide blade of the plug on the tap goes to the blade coming out of the siren behind the code wheels.
JMac; I am not sure if I would call it absolutely safe to do. As all of my older SH10As don't trigger on my 49-1000 and I am sure the SC1200 will be the same when I get it. So the newer one maybe a different design than I have.
I have a few other thoughts on both the hardware and macro methods.
The Powerflasher and SC1200 are not polite. As far as I can tell, they have no power line receivers in them.
I could see in some installations. The SC1200 sending the two security code on and off cycles on the power line. Triggering the SH10A with Powerflash sender. Steping on each others power line signals.
I could also see the two security code on off cycle power line signals. Triggering the macro and the CM15A being polite. Waiting for the power line to clear before sending the All Lights On and All Units Off.
Actually some AHP user. Is the All Units Off and All Lights On a valid command through AHP?
Quote from: bigjohn9944 on February 22, 2011, 06:36:10 PM
I agree with Brian's theory about the delay being caused by the additional addresses being sent.
When I initially tested my existing powerhorn with the new console, it was not set to the console's "lamp code" and din't activate however, I didn't wait 20 or 30 seconds. I changed the powerhorn's unit code to the code selected in the console and it works fine, except for a slightly longer delay in activation, maybe another second but nowhere near 20 or 30 seconds.
My existing powerhorn is in a garage eave so it's hard to get to. When I get a chance, I'll pull a couple horns from stock and try one set to the secondary (the +1) unit code and the other to any other number and time them.
Bigjohn aren't you getting a pause during the alarm sequence like Brian?? Thanks
Tom j.
More similarities between the X10 SC1200 and the Radio Shack 49-1000 Kit.
Both the X10 MS18A and the RS 49-1003 Motion Sensor are FCC ID: B4S-MS17A.
Both the X10 DS12A and the RS 49-1001 Door/Window Sensor are FCC ID: B4S-DS11A. Though the cases are different. X10 snap on cover. RS held on by a screw and slightly wider.
The X10 SC1200 Console. FCC ID:B4S-AL04BSC12A. Note the manual incorrectly calls it the same as the RS 49-1000MC's ID.
The RS 49-1000MC Console. FCC ID:B4S-AL11BSC12A.
tom j; I may have access to another new PH508 to compare to the other one I have.
Maybe next week.
Since X10 and now a few on line dealers are selling the SC1200. I even saw one selling varied lots between 2 and 50. ::)
If there are any problems with Powerhorns or anything else. I would expect the problem reports and questions will soon be on the rise. ;)
Quote from: Brian H on March 04, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
tom j; I may have access to another new PH508 to compare to the other one I have.
Maybe next week.
Since X10 and now a few on line dealers are selling the SC1200. I even saw one selling varied lots between 2 and 50. ::)
If there are any problems with Powerhorns or anything else. I would expect the problem reports and questions will soon be on the rise. ;)
So you're saying public pressure may make them redesign the SC1200 to be backward compatable with all the large power horns. They really should it's one of their best products.
Tom j.
Public pressure. Well maybe; but I kind of doubt it.
The original soft start LM465s didn't flash correctly as they always tried to ramp up and down. With the security House Code. All Lights On, All Units Off. I have a later date code LM465 and all of a sudden. They start to ramp but then revert to flashing with the continuous code string.
I believe only X10 may know when the firmware in them changed. There was no public announcement like "Flashing Problem Fixed"!
Some older SH10A Small Powerhorns also have some problems. So it is just not the older PH508s.
PH508 Date Code 10L52 arrived today.
Basically similar results as the X10Pro PSH01 Date Code 10F25. Tested earlier.
SC1200A:
B1 10 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
B2 9 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
M13 7 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
M14 7 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
Nontechnical observation. Both of the new Powerhorns don't sound as loud as the older ones I have.
Quote from: Brian H on March 07, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
PH508 Date Code 10L52 arrived today.
Basically similar results as the X10Pro PSH01 Date Code 10F25. Tested earlier.
SC1200A:
B1 10 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
B2 9 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
M13 7 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
M14 7 second delay to trigger. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds. 4 H/L cycles. Pause 6 seconds.
Nontechnical observation. Both of the new Powerhorns don't sound as loud as the older ones I have.
Well there's obviously a problem here just wondering now if x10 is going to address it.
Tom j.
Maybe the 2011 Date Codes have a fix. Who knows?
I got a email from X10 sales after my system purchase. Giving me their good price to add two PH508 Large Powerhorns to the order before it shipped. I got two 2010 date code units from independent dealers. One is week 52 of 2010.
If it is not my setup. I would expect we will be seeing more messages about the Powerhorns shortly.
bigjohn9944's tests showed his did work. He was going to try some from stock when he got a chance.
B:(
I love most of their automation products, but sometimes X10 Inc just makes me nuts.
Quote from: dave w on March 08, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
B:(
I love most of their automation products, but sometimes X10 Inc just makes me nuts.
Ditto twice B:( B:( make that three times, B:( ???
Tom j.
Quote from: Brian H on February 21, 2011, 06:02:58 AM
tom j;
Well right now the DS10A Door Window Sensors are available.
Maybe they are clearing them out. As the special is three for $12.99
Price is even lower per sensor with a larger quantity.
http://www.x10.com/promotions/ds10a_ed_pk_1m_promo.html
Hi Brian say seems liked they changed the price on these because of the free shipping think you can find me a better price. Thanks!
Tom j.
Try a search on EBay for DS10A.
I thought this was a good price at $80, what am I missing?
And $150 for the whole package at the bottom of the page, looks like an awesome deal! I don't have any of those pieces yet.
I believe the user was looking for more DS10s. Not part of what was in the package deals.
Quote from: Brian H on May 19, 2011, 10:40:46 AM
Try a search on EBay for DS10A.
Hi did a google search and found four for 19.99 but they want to charge shipping maybe if I call the order in and give them the SKU number I can get the free shipping that's what they been advertising anyway, free shipping with every order. Thanks Brian I'll report back to tell you what happen. Say has X10 addressed the compatibility problem with the large power horns yet, can you give me a update on this. Really got to finish that letter to the x10 brass.
Tom j.
I have not tested any Powerhorns later than the 2010 ones I reported on already.
I have no added information on any 2011 Date Code Units. If X10 even changed anything.