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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Help & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: debbiea on January 05, 2007, 08:52:43 AM
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I am confused as to what transceived house code and monitored house code mean. What is the difference between monitored and transceived in AHP.
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monitored: Is the HouseCode whose units can be used for macro conditions (if On / if OFF)
transceived: Means that if an RF signal from that HouseCode is received, it will be placed on the power lines (transceived from RF to PLC)
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So all of my sensors, if being used to run macros, should be set to the Transceived house code?
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So all of my sensors, if being used to run macros, should be set to the Transceived house code?
If your sensors are ONLY triggering macros, then there is no need to have them Transceived. Transceiving unnecessary HouseCodes just clutters up your electrical lines with unused signals.
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I know I am not wording my question right. I have a transceiver (TM751?) that I have set to housecode D. I also have the CM15A hooked up to my computer. I have my transceived house code set to P. I have my monitored house code set to D. Also, all of my switches,lamp modules, and cameras are set to D. My motion sensor is set to housecode P. Everything is working really well. If I want to use different house codes other than D, do I have to watch what types of modules I put on different housecodes? For example, if I want to add some more sensors that will be sending out RF signals to start a macro will I always have to set them to housecode P since that is my transceived house code?
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So all of my sensors, if being used to run macros, should be set to the Transceived house code?
If your sensors are ONLY triggering macros, then there is no need to have them Transceived. Transceiving unnecessary HouseCodes just clutters up your electrical lines with unused signals.
Then what is the transceived house code used for
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monitored: Is the HouseCode whose units can be used for macro conditions (if On / if OFF)
transceived: Means that if an RF signal from that HouseCode is received, it will be placed on the power lines (transceived from RF to PLC)
So you can't have two HouseCodes used for Macros, since only one HouseCode is "monitored"??
I use two different HouseCodes for my macros (OK, I have more than 16 macros!). I have those two (and only those two) HouseCodes set for "transceiver", and I just picked one of the two for "monitored". That doesn't work?
EDIT:
Oh, wait... maybe I get it...
The "Monitored" HouseCode is acted upon by the CM15A, but the RF signals aren't also echoed onto the powerlines.
The "Transeiver" HouseCodes are not only acted upon by the CM15A, but also echoed onto the powerlines.
Is that the difference?
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I know I am not wording my question right. I have a transceiver (TM751?) that I have set to housecode D. I also have the CM15A hooked up to my computer. I have my transceived house code set to P. I have my monitored house code set to D. Also, all of my switches,lamp modules, and cameras are set to D. My motion sensor is set to housecode P. Everything is working really well. If I want to use different house codes other than D, do I have to watch what types of modules I put on different housecodes? For example, if I want to add some more sensors that will be sending out RF signals to start a macro will I always have to set them to housecode P since that is my transceived house code?
I think I may have gotten that backwards since I am not sitting in front of my home computer....If the monitored house code is the setting where you can only set one code then that is the one I have set to P. My transceived housecode is set to D.
Maybe I am starting to get it:
If I am using remote controls to do things like turn on lamps, etc those modules have to be set to the monitored house code?
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For example, if I want to add some more sensors that will be sending out RF signals to start a macro will I always have to set them to housecode P since that is my transceived house code?
No. In fact you can turn OFF P as a tranceived housecode in your setup, since your motion detectors are not directly controlling anything (I.E. motion sensors are not at the same address as any module / camera / etc.)
If I want to use different house codes other than D, do I have to watch what types of modules I put on different housecodes?
Not at all. But you should organize them in a logical manner. Easier to remember what's what. ;)
TTA has some ideas here: HOUSECODES: By Room or By Module Type or By Function or...? (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=9899.msg57946#msg57946)
Then what is the transceived house code used for
Example:
- If your motion sensor is set to the same address as a (e.g.) Light, then Transceive that HouseCode
- If your motion sensor is only Triggering a Macro, that HouseCode does not require Transceiving
My transceived housecode is set to D.
debbiea: If this is the HouseCode that you also have the TM751 set to, DO NOT Transceive it with the CM15A... it will cause power line collisions when they BOTH receive an RF signal on this HouseCode.
If I am using remote controls to do things like turn on lamps, etc those modules have to be set to the monitored house code?
NO, that HouseCode would have to be Transceived. ;)
[EDIT: add answer to last question.]
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So you can't have two HouseCodes used for Macros, since only one HouseCode is "monitored"??
Only for macro CONDITIONS.
The "Monitored" HouseCode is acted upon by the CM15A, but the RF signals aren't also echoed onto the powerlines.
The "Transeiver" HouseCodes are not only acted upon by the CM15A, but also echoed onto the powerlines.
Is that the difference?
Yes... Monitored does not automatically mean Transceived. They are 2 independent attributes.
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OK, let me see if I have this right. If I am using macros to control some modules, I need to have the macros themselves on the house code that is monitored. And, if all I am doing is controlling some modules with macros, I don't have to have those modules set as transceived. Otherwise, if I am using remote controls to control lights, cameras, etc, I need to have the house codes those modules are set to as being transceived (even if sometimes they are controlled by macros). Do I have this correct now?
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OK, let me see if I have this right. If I am using macros to control some modules, I need to have the macros themselves on the house code that is monitored.
No... the monitored housecode just allows you to use it in a macro's condition: If MODULE D1 is ON then.... If MODULE D1 is OFF then...
Other than using those conditions, the monitored housecode doesn't do much more for you.
You can still control non-monitored housecodes via macros.
And, if all I am doing is controlling some modules with macros, I don't have to have those modules set as transceived.
Correct.
Otherwise, if I am using remote controls to control lights, cameras, etc, I need to have the house codes those modules are set to as being transceived (even if sometimes they are controlled by macros). Do I have this correct now?
Yes... if you want any modules to be controlled directly via a remote, that housecode needs to be tranceived.
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OK, let me see if I have this right. If I am using macros to control some modules, I need to have the macros themselves on the house code that is monitored.
No... the monitored housecode just allows you to use it in a macro's condition: If MODULE D1 is ON then.... If MODULE D1 is OFF then...
Other than using those conditions, the monitored housecode doesn't do much more for you.
You can still control non-monitored housecodes via macros.
So, the monitored housecode is used solely to check the current state (on,off,etc) of a module on that housecode that is being tested in a macro. In other words, if I write a macro to turn on a lamp if it is not already on, that lamp would have to be set to housecode D which is being monitored.
[TTA Edit: Removed debbiea's reply from Puck's QUOTE.]
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So, the monitored housecode is used solely to check the current state (on,off,etc) of a module on that housecode that is being tested in a macro. In other words, if I write a macro to turn on a lamp if it is not already on, that lamp would have to be set to housecode D which is being monitored.
Exactly :)
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Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me. I finally understand!!!!
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Perhaps this has been stated and I have just not seen it. Maybe this will help: The CM15 will REMEMBER the state of all 16 devices in the monitored house code. It ONLY does this for the monitored HC. If a device in any other HC changes state, the CM15 will see the state change (and can act on it) but does not maintain any record or remberence of the change. For instance, if you have conditional macros where something happens based on the state of a device and a certain time, that device needs to be in the monitored house code. A text macro example might be: "IF A1 is ON AND it is 5:00PM then turn ON C1". Say A1 got turned on at 4:45PM. For the macro to work, the A house code must be monitored for the CM15 to realize A1 was ON when it became 5:00 O'clock.
I dunno if that helps or not, but the "remembering" is the important part for explaining the monitored house code.
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Perhaps this has been stated and I have just not seen it. Maybe this will help: The CM15 will REMEMBER the state of all 16 devices in the monitored house code. It ONLY does this for the monitored HC. If a device in any other HC changes state, the CM15 will see the state change (and can act on it) but does not maintain any record or remberence of the change. For instance, if you have conditional macros where something happens based on the state of a device and a certain time, that device needs to be in the monitored house code. A text macro example might be: "IF A1 is ON AND it is 5:00PM then turn ON C1". Say A1 got turned on at 4:45PM. For the macro to work, the A house code must be monitored for the CM15 to realize A1 was ON when it became 5:00 O'clock.
I dunno if that helps or not, but the "remembering" is the important part for explaining the monitored house code.
That does help also. I am going to start to write more advanced macros, so I will keep this in mind.
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[Two months after the fact (I just discovered this thread today :-[ ), and I'd like to add my 2 cents and attempt to summarize the important, IMHO, points that were made separately...]
Monitored:
- When you refer to a Monitored Housecode, think about a Monitored Alarm System. Someone (something) is keeping track of (i.e. REMEMBERING) it's current Status - TRIPPED/UNTRIPPED, ON/OFF.
- When you need to know the current Status (ON/OFF) of a REAL or DUMMY Module *AFTER* it's been set, you need to use a Monitored Housecode.
IF A1 is ON AND it is 5:00PM
Then turn ON C1
Say A1 previously got turned on at 4:45 PM. For the macro to work, the A HouseCode must be Monitored for AHP to that realize A1 was (still) ON when it became 5:00 PM.
- If the Module Address is merely being used as a MACRO TRIGGER, there is no need for it to be Monitored.
Transceived:
- When you refer to a Transceived Housecode, think about the origin of the word - Transmitter / Receiver. A Transceived Housecode is one that is RECEIVED (via RF) and then IMMEDIATELY TRANSMITTED (via PLC) (i.e. it's RELAYED).
- If you currently have (one or more) Transceivers installed and you are KEEPING them, you DON'T want to Transceive that HouseCode in AHP.
- If you currently have (one or more) Transceivers installed and you are REPLACING them with the CM15A, you DO want to Transceive that HouseCode in AHP.
Hope that helps... ;)
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This thread has been most helpful to me. I know it is an older thread but I am a newbie and am still on the steep part of the learning curve.
Using AHP and my cm15a I had set up a remote wireless sensor to an unused unit code on the same house code as my controlled devices (incandescent lights). the house code was of course set to be transceived. The sensors were triggers for a macro to turn on some lights. Which they did. Simple, right? Wrong. What I experienced was that when the 'OFF' signal came from the sensor it was turning off some lights--even though the macro execution was still not complete.
Now, I realize I could have set the sensor to stay 'ON' for a longer time, but that seemed to create other problems.
Thanks to this article, I've set up the sensors on a different house code which is only monitored, not transceived, and the problem seems resolved. The off signal still comes on to the activity monitor but there is no impact on macro execution.
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I just re-read this again. Monitored HouseCodes -
Monitored is only used for conditions within macros? As in if P12=ON - (assuming "P" is the monitored HC.). And with On-Alert, if identified as an installed security device, they can be uses as conditions in addition to the monitored HC devices.
And to take it one step more - 2-way devices are a 3rd set of devices that can be used in conditions?
So.... you probably MONITOR the HC you set your phantoms to, right?
-:) (I feel so stupid sometimes....I've actually been wasting the monitoring function/capability and using only flags.....) :'(