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Author Topic: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?  (Read 4212 times)

montagar

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Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« on: March 24, 2009, 04:24:51 PM »

I have a number of UM506 Universal modules and have just started using AHP to control them. I see that when you use a macro, AHP sends the on/off command twice. Unfortunately when a UM506 receives the second on/off command it "bumps" the solenoid switch a second time.

Normally this would not be a problem, but in this case I am using the UM506 to control an audio signal and after the first command turns on the audio, the second command "bump" generates an annoyingly loud click from the speaker (and yes I have tested it, the sound is coming from the speaker, not the sound made by the UM506 ;D).

So is there any way to get AHP to send only one command? It's interesting that by manually clicking the UM506 on/off switch on-screen icon, AHP only sends one command, but use it in a macro and you get two.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 08:08:38 PM »

........ So is there any way to get AHP to send only one command? It's interesting that by manually clicking the UM506 on/off switch on-screen icon, AHP only sends one command, but use it in a macro and you get two.

I use BVC to [of course] Voice Control/Command my Home Automation as well as to receive Voice announcements from my PC. I don't get "two" announcements when a macro triggers.

Are you using some sort of repeater or maybe just an old TM751 still in a plug somewhere?

If your using a TM751 to increase the RF range... you could try setting the CM15A to NOT transceive that code. Or you could move the CM15A, or maybe look at using a plug-in controller to activate the UM506s, or look at one of the many antenna mods for the CM15A.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 10:31:08 PM »

Okay, I'm confused... I forgot to mention that I am using a PalmPad remote (HR12A) to trigger the UM506. If I use a TM751 everything works fine (only one on command is sent), but if I remove the TM751 and use the CM15A+AHP to receive the RF from the PalmPad, AHP shows that it is receiving two command and then transmits two commands to the UM506.

I must be missing something because it just doesn't make sense.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 10:43:15 PM »

Two devices are transceiving the same RF and putting it on the powerline -- the TM751 and the CM15A.
Try setting the CM15 not to transceive that house code.  Look under the "Hardware Configuration" tab.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 11:34:03 PM »

montagar stated that he removed the TM751 when testing with the CM15A, so I doubt his issues are because he has two active transceivers.

I've seen this as well -- I'll see multiple RF events in my log if a button is held down for any length of time on a PalmPad remote. The CM15A is likely responding to multiple RF commands and as a result, placing multiple commands on the power line. Unfortunately, I can't explain why the TM751 wouldn't respond the same way. Perhaps it is too "busy" responding to the first RF command to process the second  ???
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 07:08:32 PM »

montagar stated that he removed the TM751 when testing with the CM15A, so I doubt his issues are because he has two active transceivers.

Yep, that is correct.

I've seen this as well -- I'll see multiple RF events in my log if a button is held down for any length of time on a PalmPad remote. The CM15A is likely responding to multiple RF commands and as a result, placing multiple commands on the power line. Unfortunately, I can't explain why the TM751 wouldn't respond the same way. Perhaps it is too "busy" responding to the first RF command to process the second  ???

The PalmPad remote that I am using has a red LED on it and when I press a button (not holding it down at all), the LED flashes about 5 or 6 times. AHP shows that the command is received via RF anywhere from 2 to 4 times. So this has to been specific to the PalmPad remote.

I have an X10 universal remote around here somewhere that I will test to see if it behaves in a similar fashion.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 06:43:02 AM »

I believe the Palmpad does send the RF command twice. I believe the X10 RF standard has ALL remotes sending data twice.
Both should be the same ON or OFF. Not one of each. So AHP or someting in the system maybe decoding the second ON as an OFF. Another thought is the Palmpad is sending an incorrect Off though that would also be true with the TM751 test.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 11:42:20 AM »

Both should be the same ON or OFF. Not one of each.

That is correct, when I typed on/off in my posts, I was referring to the remote sending 2 on commands or 2 off commands depending on which button is pressed; making reference to the fact that the behavior is the same regardless of the command being issued.

I have tested the universal remote and found that it does the same thing, so you are correct in saying that all X10 remotes do this by design.

I solved the problem by not having the remote "directly" control the module through AHP, but instead using a different trigger code that executes a macro that then controls the specific module. I noticed that I incorrectly stated in my original post that a macro sends the command twice, it does not, it's AHP doing a "direct" control of the module that sends the command twice. The macro appears to ignore the second command.
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Re: Possible to stop AHP from sending the command twice?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 11:47:56 AM »

I solved the problem by not having the remote "directly" control the module through AHP, but instead using a different trigger code that executes a macro that then controls the specific module. I noticed that I incorrectly stated in my original post that a macro sends the command twice, it does not, it's AHP doing a "direct" control of the module that sends the command twice. The macro appears to ignore the second command.

After reviewing and testing my own commands and macros here... using a PalmPad... I have found the exact same results.
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