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Brian H

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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 06:11:54 PM »

Glad you got it fast. I can tell you that in one test. With my XTBM Meter and the XTB-IIR in place. A TM751 in the outlet on the front of it. One circuit I have is 1.45 volts. OK not real great but it has six signal sucking modules on it. Removing the modules and the voltage was about 8.5 volts. A few places in my home read 9.99 volts which is the readout limit. It is most likely higher than that.

If memory serves me. The old Smarthome Dryer outlet one with the XTB-IIR off line. Read in the .05 volt area on that circuit with the six suckers.

Keep dry Duck69 and I hope all the weather we are seeing in CA quiets down.
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2010, 10:16:01 PM »

Finally got a break in the weather today & for the next 2 days before the next rains.

Please see my earlier post below: "Re: DETAILS - Correction made 1/26/10".

Since my dryer is gas, I converted the dryer electrical outlet to feed the XTB-IIR and installed the XTB-IIR.
Unfortunately, I don't have a signal meter to do any testing.

At any rate the XTB-IIR did not solve my original problem.
I wanted to get a XTB-IIR anyway and since I had/have this problem the wife let me get one.

I am sure that I am overlooking some small detail.

Anyway, I believe it must be the transfer switch. Please correct me !

It seems to me that since I have 220v going to the transfer switch. 110v on each leg that the circuits being fed (2 on each phase) would also need to be coupled.

Yes ? No ? Take an electrical class ?
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Brian H

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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2010, 10:41:12 AM »

Are the problem circuits the ones that go through the transfer switch?

How far away from the main feed is the dryer outlet you used?

It sounds like the signals from the dryer outlet. Have to go back to the new main panel and then to the transfer switch or did I mesread the corrections you made?
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 10:48:30 AM »

Yes, the problems are only on the circuits that go through the transfer switch.
The dryer outlet is about 20' from the main & yes the signal has to go back to the main then about 30' to the transfer switch.
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2010, 04:01:08 PM »

The XTB-IIR should get the signals on both phases through the main breaker box to the transfer switch on both phases.
I would not think an added coupler would be needed.
I hope Jeff may have some added thoughts; as he seems to test all kinds of situations.
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2010, 04:29:38 PM »

The XTB-IIR should certainly be able to drive a strong signal out onto any circuits that it feeds.  However, the distance between the XTB-IIR and the distribution point will impact how strong the signals are because X10 signals decrease in amplitude as the propagate away from the transmitter.

As I understand it, the path looks like this:

XTB-IIR -> Dryer outlet -> Panel -> Transfer Switch -> Panel -> other circuits

So that run will be at least 20 + 30 + 30 = 80 feet.  There can be significant losses in a run of that length.  However, even with that additional run there should still be a much stronger signal with the XTB-IIR.  Is there perhaps some signal sucker out at the transfer switch that could be excessively loading that path?  Are you sure those lines are actually connected to both phases?

Indeed a passive coupler to bypass the run out to the transfer switch may help.

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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2010, 06:27:19 PM »

Problem found !

As I mentioned earlier, I used the old main panel as a junction box.
That is where the problem is located.

This morning Beth felt chilly so I plugged a portable heater into an outlet in our home office.

Right away the breaker tripped.
As I went through the kitchen I noticed that the coffee had stopped perking & the clock on the microwave was off.
It came to me in a flash - Duh! The kitchen & home office outlets are on the same circuit.
Talk about noise generating signal sucking *&^$$# computers, microwave etc.. etc..

How in the world did that happen ? Must have been a "Senior Moment".

Now, it's fun time again, as soon as I get done laughing at myself   rofl rofl rofl  :)% Good one! rofl rofl rofl

Guess what my weekend project is going to be.  >!

Like I said in the beginning..... It's all in the details !
« Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 06:46:34 PM by Duck69 »
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Brian H

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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2010, 06:55:01 PM »

Happy hunting.
 :o Wow and I thought I had a few messy junction boxes. Your old panel makes mine look good. Are the wires labeled by any chance?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 07:06:56 PM by Brian H »
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2010, 10:20:12 PM »

Details! Details !
Label the wires ? ..... -:)

Sure as heck wish I had. I just didn't bother.
Why ?
Because I stupidly figured that I would never have to mess with it again.   B:(

Well, I guess I'm going hunting this weekend.
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2010, 06:04:08 AM »

Oh don't feel to bad. I have done similar things myself.
Like disassemble something and NOT write down what went where. As my memory is good.  :' ::)
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2010, 10:09:38 AM »

Like disassemble something and NOT write down what went where.

Does anyone actually do that?

Jeff
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2010, 11:19:20 AM »

Yes I know one person real close to me. ;D Or better yet write it down and loose the paper.  rofl
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2010, 11:53:19 AM »

Or worse yet ... write it down and not understand what you've written down.   :)

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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2010, 02:28:58 PM »

Or worse yet ... write it down and not understand what you've written down.   :)

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DID THAT? Oh wow I feel so much better. Thanks!
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Re: DETAILS
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2010, 02:10:28 PM »

I am completely stumped.
It feels like I am  >*<
It all worked prior to upgrading the service panel and installing the generator transfer switch.
Now:
RF is working except in the home office.
PL is not working.
The run is now more that twice of what is was.
Therefore installed the XTB-IIR to compensate for it.
Attached 2 photos. 1 is old set up and second one is the new setup.

Any ideas  -:) ?
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