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Author Topic: Initial home security purchase  (Read 4959 times)

narual

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Initial home security purchase
« on: June 03, 2010, 05:53:00 PM »

Hi guys -- I'm sorry in advance, this is going to be a total newbie post, and it's a bit urgent so I haven't had time to do as much research as I'd normally like.

We've had a few breakins in my neighborhood this week. I'd been planning to install some X10 cameras but never got around to it. Now I think I should get something in as quickly as possible.

X10 has so many products and flashing lights on the site that it's sort of like information overload. I was hoping if I listed out my needs, someone would be kind enough to point me at something that would do the trick without being overkill.

In case some details are needed: My house is over 100 years old and is quite tall, as houses go. IIRC the guy working on the chimney when I bought it said it was 42 feet to the chimney top, and the topmost part of the roof was a good bit higher than that. (Most of that's the third floor/attic though, which is floored and somewhat wired but isn't really finished space.) Most of the windows in the house are either painted shut or just stuck from settling. Almost all of the windows are high enough off the ground that a crook would need a ladder to access them (but there's one mounted on my fence, so that's possible). I also have a 2 story brick carriage house which serves as a garage (insofar as it has garage doors, I don't park in it) and has a small apartment above it. Also, I don't have a land telephone line, just a cellular, so anything that dials out is probably not an option (though I could put on local-only phone service potentially).

I'd like some basic cameras at each of the four entrances to my home, as well as one for my garage and the apartment above it (I was thinking one of those flood lights + camera packages might be good there).

I want to be sent an MMS with a snapshot when motion is detected and have video logged to a computer that I'll probably have secured somewhere. If I can access the cameras and other controls via my iphone, all the better.

I'd also like the motion detection to set off some sort of short-duration alarm inside the house.

Going forward, but not initially, there are a few other options I might want to explore.

There is a narrow area between my house and my neighbor's (it's a 100 year old neighborhood, the houses are close enough for us to reach through the windows and shake hands). There are no doors on that side, but there are a couple of small basement windows and a kitchen window. A camera here would probably be helpful in case someone tries to break in that way.

The basement and third floor are both potential entries to the living space of the house. A motion detector at each staircase, and possibly a low-light capable camera would be good.

glass break sensors on all the windows big enough to climb through.(?)

Open window sensors on the half dozen windows that actually open.

Open door sensors on all the outside doors and the internal basement and attic doors.

Open door sensors on the garage doors and outside storage door

Is there some kind of intercom option so you can tell crooks to "GET OUT OF MY HOUSE" or something?

Would all of these X1 products integrate with something like an Insteon Elk MK1 gold?


Thanks so much for your time and assistance.
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HA Dave

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Re: Initial home security purchase
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2010, 09:16:38 PM »

.... it's a bit urgent so I haven't had time to do as much research as I'd normally like.

We've had a few breakins in my neighborhood this week. I'd been planning to install some X10 cameras but never got around to it. Now I think I should get something in as quickly as possible.

The choices you had.. (before the criminals picked your area) to protect yourself and your neighbors were nearly endless. Now your best option is to look in the yellow pages. Get a "Name Brand" alarm company to your propriety. Be sure to have plenty of stickers and signs installed as well as the alarm. You need a professional to "fix-you-up".

Then find a general contractor to "glass block" those basement windows as well as fix any other door/window problems. He can also arrange for the installation of the floodlights (you should use several).

Once you've secured your home with solid windows, doors, and locks plus added the needed lights, AND installed an alarm. THEN... your ready to hang a few cameras.

You should have plenty of time to read up on camera installs here while the alarm is installed and the windows fixed. Or on the evenings that your not working the "neighborhood watch". Meanwhile I think you can search for a free download software on how to have your Web Cam email you pictures.... of the guy who steals your computer.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2010, 09:34:42 PM by Dave_x10_L »
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narual

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Re: Initial home security purchase
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 01:08:31 AM »

Hah. Thanks. I should have mentioned that my house is covered in ADT stickers from a previous install. It's still partially in place, but not active. Probably why no one's broken into mine yet. That or because they know there are no women in the house and they've mostly been going for jewelry. Or because breaking into a first floor window that's 10-12 feet off the ground is a pain in the arse and they've been reluctant to kick in doors.

Glass blocking the basement windows is a great idea though, thanks. They're not large enough to qualify as egress windows anyway.

Unfortunately, since the house is a registered historic landmark, I'm very limited in what I can do visibly. Can't change most of the windows or doors. Can't add flood lights in the front. I have a set of motion detecting floods over the carriage house, and I could install a set in the back yard. I do  have a 300 watt equivalent CFL installed in the porte-cochere at the side of the house, and that lights up that side probably better than a flood would (but no motion detecting).

This current crop of trouble is just making me get of my duff and complete something i've been wanting to do since I bought the place 9 months ago.

It's in a "recovering" neighborhood, that is, it used to be a crappy part of town, but now the beautiful old houses are being converted back from cheap apartments into houses and restored...  but there are still lots of "bad" neighborhoods nearby. The usual crime is more of the petty theft variety... stuff stolen from yards via back alleys (possibly another thing helping -- my alley access is fenced off and the door is latched from inside), and from what I've heard, the people who've shown video to the police pretty quickly, usually got their stuff back, because the police usually already had a suspicion that the person was involved in criminal activity and now had proof.
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Re: Initial home security purchase
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 10:06:10 AM »

.... my house is covered in ADT stickers from a previous install. It's still partially in place, but not active. Probably why no ones broken into mine yet.

Your right! Those signs act as a deterrent. Cameras can do the same. I'd recommend a least one large chunky IR camera (that you could purchase locally or on-line.) The big chunky camera will be easy for the intruders [casing homes] to spot and then [like your ADT signs] cause them to shy away from your home. Then the X10 cameras can be half hidden. This will make your home very threatening to an intruder.

I use motion detection and a Voice Announcement warning at my house. The front door IDs an alarm as well as has an easy enough to spot tiny camera (and regular lighting). The no access areas... have motion detecting warning. Seen here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apZF77tsZlI   

Glass blocking the basement windows is a great idea though, thanks. They're not large enough to qualify as egress windows anyway.

Unfortunately, since the house is a registered historic landmark, I'm very limited in what I can do visibly. Can't change most of the windows or doors.

There is also glass-protecting film <link that will add a layer of protection... as well as preserve the appearance of your historic landmark.

This current crop of trouble is just making me get of my duff and complete something I've been wanting to do since I bought the place 9 months ago.
It's in a "recovering" neighborhood, that is, it used to be a crappy part of town, but now the beautiful old houses are being converted back from cheap apartments into houses and restored...  but there are still lots of "bad" neighborhoods nearby.

Good luck...  I am sure it will be worth the effort!
« Last Edit: June 05, 2010, 09:46:25 PM by Dave_x10_L »
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