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pconahan

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Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« on: March 05, 2011, 04:41:25 PM »
Hello folks.   Newbie here.  I've already put in a number of modules and sockets.    I just put in a WM467 that controls 9 45 watt incandescents.   The switch works fine, but I can't control the lights from my pc or from 10 commander.

My CM15a is probably about 40 feet from the light switch.  I haven't really had any 'line noise' issues so far.

Any ideas? 
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Brian H

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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 04:44:41 PM »
Is the WS467 new enough to be soft start?
What version of AHP are you using with the WS467?
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Newer_WS467s_and_Preset_Dim

Even though the switch maybe forty feet from the CM15A. It is possible they are on a different circuit and maybe on the other phase of the homes wiring.

http://jvde.us/x10_troubleshooting.htm
http://www.act-remote.com/PCC/uncle.htm
« Last Edit: March 05, 2011, 05:42:49 PM by Brian H »
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 07:22:08 PM »
Quote from: pconahan on March 05, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
I haven't really had any 'line noise' issues so far.

Are you sure? What you describe could be from line noise or a phase coupling problem. The CM15A controls the WS467 via powerline signals, not RF, so you could have a noise generator between the CM15A and the switch. Also if you have electric range and dryer, turn on dryer and oven and see if signal get to switch. If so you have a Phase Coupling problem.
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2011, 06:22:20 PM »
Thank you very much gentlemen,

Brian, I'm using 3.306

So, I turned oven and dryer on, but still no remote operation of those switches.

So, my next steps(and please, I will take any suggestions) :
1.  I have 4 Fluorescent lights in my basement, I will eliminate those.
2.  I'm going to port AHP over to a laptop and try remote operation while on battery, shutting our desktop down.
3.  Unplug DVRs, VCRs,  Wii, et al

......then try again.    I suppose I could also shut down all non-critical breakers and try as well

Thoughts?    Thanks guys!
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2011, 07:14:06 PM »
Oh, and yes, the WS467 are soft starting.  There's no date on them, but they are new.

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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 07:26:10 PM »
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Newer_Wall_Switches_and_Preset_Dim

With 3.306 for soft start you use the Lamps Tab models.
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 09:10:13 PM »
Brian, shouldn't you say the Lamps section under Modules?
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 10:52:05 PM »
Yes sir, I'm using the right one.

Only update I have tonight is that I put another ws467 out for the light on my pool house.  That has the same issue.  Good at switch, not so good from AHP.   I put a socketrocket in the pool house.  Does not work either.

Will have to wait until tomorrow to do any serious breaker shut downs.

Thanks guys
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2011, 12:45:14 PM »
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2011, 11:23:02 PM »
@Dave W......of course I respect your solutioning, but I've got another wrench or two to throw into the mystery:

1.  I hastily shut down all non-critical breakers this evening and tested my two bothersome areas, the pool and office.  I was able to raise the pool house with most everything else shut down.   Success, right????

2.  The office, not so much.  So, after so more reading and understanding of the technology......    I recently purchased a TED 5000, which is attached in the breaker box, but also has components in the office, and it seems clear that the two possibly compete with data transferring over the line.   I'm not ready to say this is the issue, but it seems clear to me that I have to disconnect the TED 5000 from my breaker box to prove the issue out.  This is not an easy troubleshoot as the box doesn't have lots of room for maneuver and I had an electrician come to manhandle the clips between the meter and the box.

So, in other brief research, it seems this issue has been resolved with an inline filter of the TED at the box.    Thoughts?  Any ideas on cost of inline filters? It its after the main breaker, I think I can handlee, if before the main, not so much.

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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 06:02:18 AM »
#2 Sounds like a real possibility.
The TED5000 sends constant data, at zero crossing. Just like X10 does.
X10 is 120 KHz and the TED5000 uses 132 KHz. Probably close enough to effect X10 as others have found out. Surely effects  Insteon users as Insteon is 131.65 KHz.
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2011, 08:55:48 AM »
Yes, TED can cause severe problems for X10 because it steps on every X10 transmission.

The only solution I am aware of is to put that communication on an independent circuit that is isolated with a X10 XPF filter.  Obviously, that circuit cannot also be used for X10 traffic.

Jeff
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 09:53:44 AM »
OK, just bought a filter AND a coupler repeater    :)
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2011, 04:57:20 PM »
Wohoo!. Looks like you have done an excellent job of troubleshooting.
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Re: Newbie, no connection to cm15 from wm467
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2011, 03:13:40 PM »
Couple of more newbie, quick questions guys?

1.  Bought an XPF filter...do I need one for each phase if I intend to couple the phases?  I should put this where I have the TED powered in the box, right?  The TED is piggy-backing on the circuit for my dryer. So, I would have all three going in there...

2.  Bought a XPCR coupler/repeater.....  It reads to put in on a 15/20amp circuit.  Does it matter which one?
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