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Mace

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Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« on: October 31, 2012, 08:13:14 PM »

I'm banging my head against the wall, to see if any lights will come on. I have a Dell 2.80GHz running XP, with in the last year I'm having issues with the AHP (Ver. 3.318) and CM15A.
I see the AHP program shows the timers and macros working, they are highlighted on, but nothing is coming on in the house. I try clicking the AHP items on and off does not make a difference. It has worked for years, if I load the CM15A and locate it near the panel box then it will sometimes turn on items. But seems like a hit and miss, I have a Transceiver Module which works when using the remotes from X10. When I use my logitech harmony one it's a friggen hit and miss if it will turn on or not. As well using the X10 compatible IR module it's getting frustrating. It's getting close to winter and getting dark earlier, I have used this system for years and not sure where to turn for help... Have read lots but seems like the answer is not what I'm looking for...

Any help or suggestions or anyone having these issues please let me know... Thanks Mace
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 08:30:54 PM »

1. If you just upgraded AHP, make sure your light controllers are properly identified as "Soft Start" or standard. Lamp Modules and Wall Switches purchased in the last few years are probably soft start (come on slowly, go off slowly, will remember last dim level and come back on at same level, etc). If they are not indentified properly the newer module will not come ON when sent command from CM15A
2. May also have a noise problem. What new gadget did you plug in?
http://jvde.us/x10_troubleshooting.htm
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 02:38:18 PM »

I'm in a similar boat. My CM15a and Activehome worked fine for years, until this week. I strongly suspect that it has to do with the end of Daylight Savings time. I don't know why, but I had similar problems last year around the same time. Does anyone else see problems occurring at this time?

Tom G.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 07:29:03 PM »

I responded to your other post on the subject. Check it out.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 08:53:27 AM »

I'm in the same boat.  After several years of working fine, my CM15A seems to have "lost power" or something.  It isn't turning both appliance and wall switch modules on or off, at least with the program.  It started with a few misses and has gone to an absolute zero.  Using AHP manually, i.e. going to the screen and switching them on or off, also works sporadically.

The home monitor as well as the "on/off" indicators on the screen tell me that the program is running correctly on the CM15A.  And, my very old 16 unit control switches the units on and off when I hit the buttons.

I don't think it's daylight savings at all.  It's more likely that the output signal from the CM15A has somehow gotten very weak.

I've tried reloading the macros.  I've even pulled the unit from the wall, removed the batteries and reinstalled everything in an effort to reset the unit. All to no avail.

I haven't added any new electrical devices to my home in some time.

I'd love to resolve this.  I've been using X10 for more than 25 years and it seems that every few years something like this happens.  It's quite frustrating.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 09:50:59 AM »

TJH, I have had similar problems to you in the past. I think your CM15A is crapping out. They only seem to last a certain number of years before they start behaving weirdly. I have had to replace units in the past that began to malfunction. Over the years, I think I bought 6-8 units.

I still have 3 units. Two of them known to be working properly, one is questionable. I'm starting to look at an Ocelot or ISY controller but would rather stay with Activehome if I can.

Tom G.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 10:27:21 AM »

The ISY controller is a nice unit, but not the best with X10.
Limited by the Smarthome 2413S Power Line Modem it uses for interfacing to the power line.
Smarthome chose to use the older X10 %dim protocol while the later X10 modules use the Extended Messaging.
So modules like a Soft Start Lamp Module will not dim to the %dim being sent.
Some here have used Smarthome X10 and Insteon with an added X10 address with AHP.
They had to be called an old module so it could be sent an On and then a stream of dim commands to lower them back to where you wanted it to be.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2012, 10:37:27 AM »

Well, the ISY is pretty expensive and I'm not happy to hear that it has that limitation. What about the Ocelot? Same problems?

I don't understand what your saying about using AHP with Insteon. Can you explain that a bit more? What Insteon unit would work with AHP?

What Insteon, or other brand, would be the best replacement for a CM15A?
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2012, 10:53:48 AM »

What about the Ocelot?

Unless it has been updated, the Ocelot needs the now extinct TW523/PSC05 to send/receive powerline signals. 
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 11:52:07 AM »

So the Ocelot is out and the ISY is iffy. What else is there to run X10 - nothing?
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 01:04:54 PM »

JV Digital Engineering makes a replacement for the TW523/PSC05.
So eliminating a controller needing a discontinued TW523/PSC05. Should not be a issue.
http://jvde.us//xtb/XTB-523_description.htm
Their devices are very good.
My XTB-IIR blasts signals all over my home.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 01:39:29 PM »

My own home automation system has the Ocelot paired with the XTB-523.  One advantage of the Ocelot is that adding their SECU16 I/O gives you the ability to interface with real-world parameters.  I use inexpensive thermistors in several locations to monitor temperature to control auxiliary ventilation and adjust irrigation cycles.  Some simple math running in the Ocelot converts the thermistor voltage to an actual temperature reading with 1 degree accuracy from 50F to 100F.

FYI:  I finally updated the user feedback page.

     http://jvde.us/xtb/xtb_reports.htm

Thanks again to all of you who provided email feedback.

(corrected typo)

Jeff
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 03:23:44 PM »

Thanks, Jeff. It looks like I would need to buy an Ocelot and one of your XTB-232 or XTB-523 units? Does the Ocelot come with software for creating timers and macros?
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 03:33:26 PM »

Manuals, information and specifications here:
http://www.appdig.com/adicon_new/ocelot.htm
XTB-523 replaces the TW523/PSC05 shown in the manual for X10 interfacing.
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Re: Troubleshooting AHP and CM15A
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 04:04:13 PM »

Thanks, Jeff. It looks like I would need to buy an Ocelot and one of your XTB-232 or XTB-523 units? Does the Ocelot come with software for creating timers and macros?

The TW523 or XTB-523 would be used with the Ocelot.  The XTB-232 has a RS232 interface, and is designed for automation programs running on a PC or Mac.

The Ocelot uses C-Max software, which is not a graphic tool like ActiveHome.  It uses ladder logic like many industrial control systems.  It can take some time to get used to, but it is very powerful.  It can certainly do timers and macros.

Jeff
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