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[Tuicemen]

To make future Pi installs easier in the future maybe we need a "KISS Scripts"  thread where users can post installer scripts.
These can save a newbie many hours of hair pulling.
Thoughts?

[bkenobi]

I can't find an accurate count that I can figure out the source to see where Linux vs Windows vs... is right now.  Wikipedia claims 1.3B for Android (Linux) and 283M for Windows.  I would really like to see a better chart but this is all 5 minutes found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Worldwide_device_shipments

[dhouston]

These can save a newbie many hours of hair pulling.

Most X10 users have little hair left to pull. 
But, seeing the struggles exhibited here over the past few weeks, Pi scripts seems like a no brainer idea.

[dhouston]

I can't find an accurate count that I can figure out the source to see where Linux vs Windows vs... is right now.  Wikipedia claims 1.3B for Android (Linux) and 283M for Windows.  I would really like to see a better chart but this is all 5 minutes found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Worldwide_device_shipments

How's this?
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22deviceType%22%3A%7B%22%24in%22%3A%5B%22Desktop%2Flaptop%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Trend%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22platform%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22id%22%3A%22platformsDesktop%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222017-08%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222018-07%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D

[Tuicemen]

These can save a newbie many hours of hair pulling.

Most X10 users have little hair left to pull. 
But, seeing the struggles exhibited here over the past few weeks, Pi scripts seems like a no brainer idea.

Thanks Dave, Good thing I had my wife shave my head a couple of weeks ago so what little I have left is hard to get a good hold of.
Or maybe I should have not had that done, the razor could be retired by now.

[dhouston]

If you want to compare correctly, you'd note that Linux is the backbone for MacOS.

Actually, what became MacOS predates Linux.https://itsfoss.com/mac-linux-difference/

It also is what AndroidOS is based on.  So, if you count phones and tablets into the market share, I'd say Windows is on a steep downward slope considering the number of people who don't know what a computer is.

OK, but I think the Pi is more kin to early PCs than to phones.
The real test will be when Windows is ported to the Pi.

[Tuicemen]

The real test will be when Windows is ported to the Pi.

Yep I believe we'll see a lot of movement then.
I had hoped Windows core would have been compatible with the 3B+. If it had been I most likely would have installed it first to play with.
The options for the 3B+ OS is limited right now.

[docbell]

How's this?
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22deviceType%22%3A%7B%22%24in%22%3A%5B%22Desktop%2Flaptop%22%5D%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Trend%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22platform%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22id%22%3A%22platformsDesktop%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222017-08%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222018-07%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D

This is excellent, because it distinguishes between desktop and embedded systems. I suspect that for desktops, Windows will remain the favorite for the foreseeable future, with MacOS well behind but possibly gaining, and Linux still (always?) the next great thing. Linux/Android has to be it for embedded systems. Windows run at the mobile phone business seems to have failed. It still shows up in displays, point-of-sale systems, and elsewhere, but I suspect it is loosing ground.

[dhouston]

The real test will be when Windows is ported to the Pi.

Yep I believe we'll see a lot of movement then.

I expect it will happen but There are many different ARM chips and I don't think it's one-size-fits-all like it was with Intel & PCs.
https://www.windows-arm.com/

[petera]

As they say, lies, damn lies and statistics. Who knows what to believe in a world of fake news

Scripts are definitely the way forward for those starting out in the world of the Raspberry Pi. The only drawback I see is that they have to be kept up to date. Nothing worse than to see the dreaded E:unable to locate package package-name on the Terminal. A change in repository name or location is usually the culprit and you need to add a new repository in this case. Potential users need to know this.

What we need to do is find a platform that appeals the most and contribute to it as much as we can. The important thing is to get the platform installed and working and then we can move on from there. Once the X10 side of things are working we can develop other aspects of home automation.

[docbell]

The real test will be when Windows is ported to the Pi.

Yep I believe we'll see a lot of movement then.

I expect it will happen but There are many different ARM chips and I don't think it's one-size-fits-all like it was with Intel & PCs.
https://www.windows-arm.com/

There's also a lot of speculation about moving macOS to ARM, (https://www.macworld.com/article/3268029/macs/why-the-next-mac-processor-transition-wont-be-like-the-last-two.html) but with a subtle difference. Microsoft would like to see Windows run on as many devices as possible, almost regardless of performance, because it sells copies of Windows. Apple will move (as it has in the past) only if performance improves enough to let it sell more machines or boost its profit margins.

[dhouston]

Microsoft would like to see Windows run on as many devices as possible, almost regardless of performance, because it sells copies of Windows.

Given the low cost of the Pi, it's unlikely that Microsoft will reap much in profits but it would be better for them were all the beginners learning computers using a Pi learning Windows instead a version of Linux

[bkenobi]

I saw that link Dave actually.  I liked it, but it didn't have a succinct share of each OS variant I could suse out.  I could pretty easily infer that Windows mobile platform is dead and desktop dominates, but I didn't want to try to add up all of the different Android, Mac, and iOS variants from a curve.  I looked for the source data for a few seconds before finding the wikipedia page which mostly answered my personal question.  If they had the data exposed, I'd really like to spend 15 minutes running some numbers, but I just didn't see it.