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Our Canadian X10 friends
« on: February 25, 2010, 02:42:13 PM »

Tom Brokaw explains the relationship between Canada and The United States, in a pre-recorded short film that aired on NBC, prior to the Opening Ceremonies of the 2010 Winter Olympic Games.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 11:19:52 AM »

The link is gone.

What did Brokaw say, that Canadians live in igloos and that the free trade agreement grants the US unlimited use of them in the event of war?
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 12:47:24 PM »

Google / Youtube for the video.
I saw it weeks ago.

It's quite moving.
Brokaw, himself a Canadian, I thought did a great job talking about the relationship we've had with our best friend to the north.
Like best friends, we can disagree, we can fight -- but when threatened, when we really need each other - we come through.

Not many folks know about, or remember the more recent event - when after 9/11 and all airports were shutdown - so many planes were diverted north.  Canadians opened their hearts, their pantries, their homes to these people.

I've been privileged enough to visit their country about a half dozen times.
Every time has been absolute joy.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 06:39:53 PM »

The link is gone.

Here... this one works:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrA4V6YF6SA

Canada is a beautiful country.... and a fine people. I am hoping we [Americans] can strengthen our bond to Canada.. [while also reducing our national debt]... by selling them Detroit.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 08:25:56 PM »

Canada is a beautiful country.... and a fine people. I am hoping we [Americans] can strengthen our bond to Canada.. [while also reducing our national debt]... by selling them Detroit.
10 bucks sez they don't want it.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 09:14:17 PM »

10 bucks sez they don't want it.

Chicago?
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 04:49:53 PM »

10 bucks sez they don't want it.

Chicago?

goodness - Chicago's on the keep list.
I can think of three dozen cities I'd put on the list before Chicago.

They'd probably like Miami, for instance...  :)
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 05:53:18 PM »

I can think of three dozen cities I'd put on the list before Chicago.

Nothing against Chicago! Or Detroit ether.. for that matter. I selected both by the fact that... they share the border with Canada. The exact same border that 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of (or is it really kilometers?). Detroit was once a thriving and productive city... really... they used to make cars there. Chicago on the other hand was once called hog butcher to the world (they took that title from Cincinnati Ohio). Nether of these once great cities are still productive. Both of these cities cost more in tax resources than they contribute. Both of these cities are in view of a productive and prosperous nation... on the other side of the border.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 11:33:50 PM »

Nothing against Chicago! Or Detroit ether.. for that matter. I selected both by the fact that... they share the border with Canada. The exact same border that 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of (or is it really kilometers?). Detroit was once a thriving and productive city... really... they used to make cars there. Chicago on the other hand was once called hog butcher to the world (they took that title from Cincinnati Ohio). Nether of these once great cities are still productive. Both of these cities cost more in tax resources than they contribute. Both of these cities are in view of a productive and prosperous nation... on the other side of the border.

Hello Dave,

Although you've stated that you have "nothing again Chicago or Detroit", you appear to be eager to throw both under the bus.  I take offense - great offense.

I have spent a great deal of time north of the border, and work with people there on a daily basis.  The country is beautiful (if you think the UP if Michigan is beautiful, just try north of Sault Sainte Marie) and the people extremely friendly.  I'm lucky to have a Canadian as my brother in law.  Nonetheless, I would not choose to live in this "productive and prosperous nation" as you refer to it.

National debt for Canada as a % of GDP is still higher than that of the US (even after our meltdown).  Much of the productivity is due to cross border manufacturing - I'm not complaining, I'm actually grateful for it.

I happen to live between these two cities in an area that was once known for it's industrial base (as was most of the Midwest).  The Dodge Brothers, Oliver brothers, Studebaker, and the Bendix Corporation all started here.  I started my career with Bendix in the 70's and have been lucky enough to hang on through the buyouts, and mergers throughout the years.  Today, the industrial base is gone.  My company, which had 4 separate divisions with employees in the 10,000 range, now employs roughly 500. 

So what is my point and who am I blaming?  I'm blaming you and me as consumers who have forced corporations to outsource in search for the almighty dollar.  Our near term mentality has led to the demise of our manufacturing base.  Other countries have historically had far more regard for products manufactured "in state" and have benefited from this.  Fear not however, our Walmart's, Cotsco's and other mass marketing techniques are beginning to pervade the globe.  Soon we will drag everyone else down to our level (lowest common dollar - we've already done a number on Toyota).  At present, our devalued dollar makes us a prime area for manufacturing expansion by overseas corporations.

Don't count Detroit and Chicago out of the game.  Ford has weathered the financial storm well and GM is a giant that will awake.  In Chicago, Caterpillar has done well during the crisis and Boeing will emerge leaner and meaner than ever before (they've learned their lesson with outsourcing critical components).
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2010, 12:46:23 AM »

Although you've stated that you have "nothing again Chicago or Detroit", you appear to be eager to throw both under the bus.  I take offense - great offense.
I certainly didn't mean to offend. Nor did I mean to throw any city under the bus... sorta speak. Both cities.. appear to be failed or failing IMHO. I thought that new management might help. But.. mostly a bit of humor was intended.

Don't count Detroit and Chicago out of the game.  Ford has weathered the financial storm well and GM is a giant that will awake.  In Chicago, Caterpillar has done well during the crisis and Boeing will emerge leaner and meaner than ever before (they've learned their lesson with outsourcing critical components).

You have much more hope than I can muster. I can only hope... your right. I thought GM was already gone. It is interesting to read it referred to as still a giant. I haven't heard of Boeing being a real player... in a long time ether. I grew up in the rust belt and have had a lifetime to accept the change. And now... looking back as well as forward... I see manufacturing in America as nearly gone.

It's silly to blame consumers or retailers! Making Walmart a scapegoat... is telling people its OK to be small minded. Back when I was a kid (we're talking nearly half a century ago) I was told that car manufactures would be reduced to TWO. That... THAT was just the way competition worked. I was also told the two would be GM... and likely Ford. NO ONE... guessed that Japan would ever make cars. But competition will ALWAYS narrow the number or players... eventually to two.

Half of all homes in the world... are made of mud. In global competition... the rest of the world is hard to beat.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2010, 08:46:02 AM »

When I was a small child, my next door neighbors (and best/only friends) moved to Canada.  Hard for a small child not to hold a grudge against a country that stole his friends. 

Since joining this forum,  I have befriended: Tom, a couple of guys named Dave, and even had a Canadian Beer with a guy named Dan (names have been changed to protect the secret Canadian Identities of those on the forum).  These guys are all Northerners and every one of them has become a good friend.

As far as UP-ers go,  Mom has a cabin in South Range, Mi.  So yes, I know about the pretty country in the northern-most part of the states.  If I ever get the chance though, I'd gladly make the trek to visit my Canadian friends and buy every one of them a beer.  Judging from Canada's contribution to the forum, I'd say that would be half the population up there.

Here's to our Canadian X10 Friends!  >!
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2010, 10:00:53 AM »

Here's to our Canadian X10 Friends!  >!

I agree!
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2010, 12:39:26 PM »

I certainly didn't mean to offend. Nor did I mean to throw any city under the bus... sorta speak. Both cities.. appear to be failed or failing IMHO. I thought that new management might help. But.. mostly a bit of humor was intended.
To be honest - the overreaction was manufactured.  I'm getting a bit tired of hearing how our cities and manufacturing are a thing of the past.  Nonetheless, in the words of Colbert, I accept your apology (Humor intended).

You have much more hope than I can muster. I can only hope... your right. I thought GM was already gone. It is interesting to read it referred to as still a giant. I haven't heard of Boeing being a real player... in a long time ether. I grew up in the rust belt and have had a lifetime to accept the change. And now... looking back as well as forward... I see manufacturing in America as nearly gone.
I have to maintain hope - I have children and grandchildren that will have to deal with this. 

GM is guilty of providing consumers with exactly what they desired.  Large gas guzzling trucks and SUV's that we drive to the grocery store, and low interest financing so we can indulge ourselves even if we can't afford it today.  The gas crunch struck and took out GM's high profit vehicles (the same happened to Ford, Toyota, and Honda) and then the financial crisis struck and took out GMAC.  Pretty tough to make a go of things after both legs are taken out. 

Canadians have a significant interest in the survival of GM and Ford as well.  Both manufacturers have a significant number of facilities there.

I constantly marvel at the fact that we feel it necessary to outsource our manufacturing overseas to remain competitive.  At the same time, overseas companies are opening new facilities in the US and somehow making things work.   

It's silly to blame consumers or retailers! Making Walmart a scapegoat... is telling people its OK to be small minded. Back when I was a kid (we're talking nearly half a century ago) I was told that car manufactures would be reduced to TWO. That... THAT was just the way competition worked. I was also told the two would be GM... and likely Ford. NO ONE... guessed that Japan would ever make cars. But competition will ALWAYS narrow the number or players... eventually to two.

Half of all homes in the world... are made of mud. In global competition... the rest of the world is hard to beat.

I was not making Walmart a scapegoat.  Walmart is a symptom of the problem - we, the American public are the problem.  The entire bigger and more is better, finance what you can't afford today, short sighted mentality pervades everything we do.  The problem is that we feel that we are entitled to our excess and it's simply not maintainable.  In the 50's and 60's the average American live in a 900 sq. foot house and owned one car.  Now the same American lives in a 2500 sq. foot home (with a three stall garage) and owns over two vehicles (number of registered vehicles has exceeded the number of drivers for many years). 

While some of the above can be attributed to "quality of life" improvements, much of it is simple waste and excess.  The problem is, this waste drives our economy - and again, it's not maintainable.  This same mentality drives corporate America and the stock market.  We demand year over year improvements in sales, net, and market share.  It's no longer acceptable to be a stable company with good ROI over a five year period.  If a company misses the numbers for a Quarter, the consumers expect a recovery plan (usually outsourcing or divestitures).  I can't count the number of stable, profitable product lines that my company has sold because they were not achieving enough growth and were considered "Non-core" to our business.  I've also wondered how Jack Welch was able to justify the purchase of NBC as being core to the GE portfolio (we tended to model ourselves after GE when that was still in vogue).

Japan auto manufacturers have enjoyed great successes over the past 20 years.  Their manufacturing methods and attention to quality have improved the entire industry as others have scrambled to catch up.  Toyota and Honda are now feeling the heat from the Korean manufacturers.  Like GM and Ford in the 80's, Toyota and Honda cannot compete toe to toe with the likes of Hyundai and Kia.  They are being pressured to cut costs and reduce cycle times just as the American manufacturers have been and, just like us, they are making mistakes.

Sorry for the diatribe.  Although I've been eligible for retirement for some years now, I still choose to work.  I'd like to think that I'm still adding something to the workforce and not just increasing my pension.  Telling me that manufacturing is dead in America is akin to telling me that I've wasted many years of my life - it gets my dander up.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2010, 04:57:47 PM »

To be honest - the overreaction was manufactured. 

Well that is just plain... sad.

........ GM is guilty of providing consumers with exactly what they desired.  Large gas guzzling trucks and SUV's
.... I constantly marvel at the fact that we feel it necessary to outsource our manufacturing overseas
... Walmart is a symptom of the problem - we, the American public are the problem. 
.......much of it is simple waste and excess.  The problem is, this waste drives our economy - and again, it's not maintainable. 
.....  Telling me that manufacturing is dead in America is akin to telling me that I've wasted many years of my life.
Wow.... I haven't heard comments like that since the 70's.

America and Canada have shared much of the same manufacturing history... as well as a long and friendly border.

Both country's are also blessed with vast developed and yet untapped resources. Nether America or Canada is near colapse. Both America and Canada may have reached it apex as manufacturers... a half century ago. But, nether has reached their apex as a nation.

I admire Canada... and I Love America. If you judge my America buy what it can produce in a factory... shame on you. If you remember your American history... you know we started the industrial revolution... and you understand why we are leading in its end. Industrialization became... and was... a global phase. It would be a shame to measure the value of a nation... or even a single life... by a mere 200 year economic phase.
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Re: Our Canadian X10 friends
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2010, 05:28:42 PM »

Hi Dave,

In fact I am ashamed, to have attempted to enter into a dialog with you in the first place. 

In the future, I'll make sure to...squirrel...interject random thoughts...America, apple pie...to make the dialog flow better.

Have a nice life
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