Motion Sensors - Outdoor Range?

[dave w]

Right, but I was wondering if it will send signals to the CMA15A where I can then have it trigger a macro. It says they work only with the DS7000 security system and will not send it's own signal  to activate a switch. It has an extended transmission range, greater than the eagle eye, right?

The CM15A with the "On Alert" plug-in can understand a DS10A. I am not sure about the range part. The DS7000 security system base has a better antenna than the CM15A, so "better range" may be a function of the base antenna.

[Brian H]

I agree. I don't think the MS10A or the DS10A have any greater distance range over the standard X10 motion sensors. When used with the CM15A as it is not known for great reception distances. That is why we have antenna modification threads here.

The WGL V572RF32 all house code receiver. Can receive the RF security signals and map them to a standard X10 power line code. Along with receiving standard RF X10 codes.

Many have reported much better reception from RF devices with any model of the V572 line. The standard V572 doesn't process the security coded RF.

http://www.wgldesigns.com/v572.html

[vermiform]

I agree. I don't think the MS10A or the DS10A have any greater distance range over the standard X10 motion sensors. When used with the CM15A as it is not known for great reception distances. That is why we have antenna modification threads here.

The WGL V572RF32 all house code receiver. Can receive the RF security signals and map them to a standard X10 power line code. Along with receiving standard RF X10 codes.

Many have reported much better reception from RF devices with any model of the V572 line. The standard V572 doesn't process the security coded RF.

http://www.wgldesigns.com/v572.html

Now we are talking! So this piece of equipment hears the signal from the motion sensor then blasts it out again to the CM15A? (in my case)

[Brian H]

It sends a power line signal back to the CM15A.
So as long as you don't have power line issues. Like signal suckers; noise makers or opposite phase problems. It would work fine.

If there is an X10 module on the address it sends. It could be controlled directly.

[vermiform]

It sends a power line signal back to the CM15A.
So as long as you don't have power line issues. Like signal suckers; noise makers or opposite phase problems. It would work fine.

If there is an X10 module on the address it sends. It could be controlled directly.

But my only option to power the whole setup will be a power inverter. how much will a true sine wave inverter cost?

[Brian H]

I don't have any data on a pure sine wave inverter, but I think a few others here have them.
I am sure they will give you added data.

The V572 neeeds two AC sources. One for its power brick and the other for a TW523/PSC05 interface.
Also the laptop would need an X10 powerline receiver.
Which interface where you thinking of using?

[vermiform]

I don't have any data on a pure sine wave inverter, but I think a few others here have them.
I am sure they will give you added data.

The V572 neeeds two AC sources. One for its power brick and the other for a TW523/PSC05 interface.
Also the laptop would need an X10 powerline receiver.
Which interface where you thinking of using?

I thought the cm15a worked as the laptop's receiver?

[Brian H]

Yes it does.
I may have missed which interface you where going to be using.

[vermiform]

yes, was going to use a cm15a because I intend to use one for my house alarm/automation. That and I may use it to send some signals to an x-10 relay to turn on some 12v devices like LED floods, IR lighting, maybe even a relay to the electric switch that starts a generator.

If this project comes to fruition, I promise to post pics of everything. It's all going to be wired into an older remodeled RV 5th wheel trailor. Right now we are working on designing the welded on exoskeleton that will support a shooting deck on top. When the hogs move on, we scout out the new trails they are using, find a central location for the trailor, throw out around 5-10 motion detectors on the trails and plug in the sensor locations on a very makeshift map on the computer. Sit back, drink coffee and wait 

[vermiform]

Anyone know anything about these? Shows it with an external antenna on motion sensor!

http://www.intellihome.be/english/home_automation/wireless_x10_controllers/ms13_motion_detector

[Brian H]

That is the MS13E. European model. Uses the RF frequency of 433.92MHz.
X10 USA uses 310MHz.
Will not work with a US CM15A.
Would work with the European CM15APro.

[vermiform]

That is the MS13E. European model. Uses the RF frequency of 433.92MHz.
X10 USA uses 310MHz.
Will not work with a US CM15A.
Would work with the European CM15APro.

Drat! Double Drat!

[Dan Lawrence]

No Drat!  or Double Drat!

You are in Louisiana, not Europe!!

Toss that M13E.  You can't use it. 

[vermiform]

I know, I know. I just thought I had found an easy solution to my antenna modding idea. That external antenna would have been so much easier to experiment with.

[nybuck]

That external antenna looks an AWFUL LOT like Hawk1's blowgun dart antenna mod posted on here a while back.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=17920.0

My guess is the antenna on the MS13E is no more than double the wire of whatever is in there now, brought outside the case and coated with plastic.  Seems easy enough to emulate...