Timer turn lamps off, but will not turn them on.

[rfmtm]

Using latest AHP with a CM11A controller and X10 modules.  Cleared everything out, set a simple on and off timer for legacy lamp module set at 100%, and another timer for an appliance module.  Both work manually from AHP.

Downloaded to the CM11A.  The appliance module goes on and off at the correct time.  The lamp modules do not turn on, but do turn off at the correct time.  Am I missing something?

[dave w]

Yes. Soft Start

http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/SoftStart

[Brian H]

The later versions of AHP have two Lamp Module Tabs.
The Lamp Module Tab is for Soft Start type devices and use Extended Commands older modules do not understand.
The Older Lamp {Before Soft Start} Tab is where you should be defining modules that are not Soft Start.

[rfmtm]

Yes, I am already aware of the two different types of lamp modules and their selection in AHP.  I have try using both, but neither will turn on using a timer downloaded to the CM11A, but always turn off at the correct time and can manually be activated from AHP.

Did not have this problem with AH, but when I upgraded to a Windows 7 machine and had to now use AHP the problem started.  I have read every thread here and tried all suggestion without solution.

[Dan Lawrence]

It's been a long time since I used a CM11A but I seem to remember it didn't do macros, but did do timers. the CM11A was built for Active Home, the predecessor of the CM15A and Active home Pro.  I stopped using AH/CM11A when I upgraded my old PC to Windows XP.  The motherboard did funny things to serial ports and played havoc with the CM11A which would vanish and reappear, so I upgraded to AHP/CM15A in 2005.  AHP would convert your AH files to .ahp files so you didn't lose your timers and I created my only keystroke macro (which turns off lights on 3 housecode with a press of A5 OFF on a MC460 desktop controller. 

I got rid of my AH equipment in 2005 so I don't know how the CM11A works with AHP.   

[rfmtm]

Well except for the on timer for lamps modules, AHP and the CM11A seem to work without a problem with my Windows 7 machine.  All the timers for the appliance modules work just fine and any commands from AHP to the CM11A works every time as well.  Only the downloaded on timers for lamp modules (new or old) does not work.

[Dan Lawrence]

The CM11A was built long before Soft Start modules came along.  The work around is to establish any Soft Start modules as LM14A modules.  Try that for any SoftStart modules and see if that fixes that.

[Brian H]

Dan; The latest AHP runs on the CM11A. The user can use the Old Lamp {before Soft Start} for any older Lamp modules they have and not have to do the work around of the LM14A for Soft Start.

[Brian H]

Are the Appliance Modules and the Lamp Modules on the same X10 Address?
The Lamp Modules are the older ones that don't have Soft Start?
Should only effect Macros but in preferences is it set to issue an On in place of a Bright 100%?

[rfmtm]

Appliance models and lamp modules are on the same house code, but not the same module address.
I have both old and new lamp modules, neither turn on with a timer, but otherwise operate fine.
Per your suggestion I changed preferences to issue On instead of 100% Bright, but have no Macros in place.  Will test tonight anyway.

[rfmtm]

Just tested with the preferences set to send On command instead of 100%.  No change, timer will still not turn lamp modules on.

[Dan Lawrence]

Are you mixing old style and soft start module on the same house code?  Try putting the soft start modules on a separate housecode.

[Noam]

What does the Activity Monitor show when the timers run, and what does it show when you turn the light on manually in AHP?

[rfmtm]

Mixing or not mixing old and new lamp modules makes no difference.

The Activity Monitor at best is confusing as it only shows some activity and not everything. 

Does it upload from the CM11A?  If so information is incomplete.

It does seem to show anything manually executed from the AHP. 

Please elaborate on exactly how and what the monitor should show. 

[rfmtm]

Well last night the lamp modules, both old and new, came on as scheduled with the timer.  I had made to no changes and did not even run AHP yesterday.

At the time the lights came on, the computer was on and connected to the CM11A, but AHP was not running.  Does the computer being on, or whether AHP is running, make any difference at all, if everything is downloaded the the CM11A?

Guess I'll have to wait till tonight to see if it continues to work correctly.